As for the original question I believe the correct answer is 2 mules or 6 shekels will take her away.

(November 30, 2013 at 4:17 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: What on earth is a secular religious government?

Being secular is not keeping away of religions from state affairs . Secularism is treating people equally regardless of their religion .

(November 30, 2013 at 4:12 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(November 30, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Chas Wrote: I will believe that you are moderate when I hear you denounce muslim fundamentalists, Sharia law, and religious government.

And the Quran is not moderate. It is extremely contradictory.

I want religious government , but a secular religious government . People will live their life the way they want , does nt matter their back ground . As Allah says , there is no compulsion in religion/system .

Quran says many thing with one sentence . The mission of the people is to try to understand it correctly , not according to their interests .

There is no such thing as a secular religious government - that is a contradiction.

You seem to be living in a fluffy pink bubble in your head.
The world of Islam and religious governments is a brutal world that you refuse to acknowledge even exists.

(November 30, 2013 at 2:26 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Homosexuals lying about Quran being open for interpretation. It's not and the homosexual who commented above is attempting to lie and deceive as is this homosexuals nature

Are you gay? Why are you so obsessed by big juicy cock, young man? Do you like big sweaty men, because it seems to me the only one bringing up sexuality is your lying retarded ass.

(November 30, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(November 30, 2013 at 4:17 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: What on earth is a secular religious government?

Being secular is not keeping away of religions from state affairs . Secularism is treating people equally regardless of their religion .

That's not secular.

(November 30, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(November 30, 2013 at 4:17 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: What on earth is a secular religious government?

Being secular is not keeping away of religions from state affairs . Secularism is treating people equally regardless of their religion .

Erm, sorry 19, but the first part doesn't make any sense.

See: http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/wp/summary/...lpott.html

Specifically the parts about the Westphalian synthesis. The separation of the spiritual from the temporal is one of the evolved pillars of secularism following on from the abolition of papal control of European sovereign governments.

Your last statement makes much more sense, because its correct; secularism insists on the equality of people in the public sphere, and it achieves this by giving no special platform for ideas that are based on the spiritual (eg religion). It is the fairest way to conduct state affairs because of this.

Perhaps you meant to say that it doesn't prevent people brining their religious convictions to the public table? Because that would be correct.

(November 30, 2013 at 4:24 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(November 30, 2013 at 4:06 pm)WesOlsen Wrote: Every language has unique features in that sense, the English language is also considered one of the richest, with literally thousands of words that are no longer even in regular useage but can still be called upon for meaning. This sort of special pleading is irrelevant though when people who SPEAK arabic, and USE arabic, can do so and find contradictions and problems within it. There are prominent ex-muslims who have done just this, using arabic and NOT english (or any other language). Arabic existed before Islam and it exists afterwards. Also, if god wants the whole planet to become muslim, why does he issue his rules in ONE language that supposedly cannot be translated in to other languages? That makes things less accessible and proves once again that your dumb religion was made by humans, not by god. Why are you so gullible?

Also, I don't care whether you kill your prophets or not, the entire notion of someone special being sent from god is ridiculous when they do so whilst nobody else can witness this apparent revelation. The idea that god wants everyone to follow a plan but only reveals this plan to one person (whilst nobody else can see or hear) screams FRAUD. Yes, 2 x 2 = 4 a million years ago because maths is unchanging in that respect, what you're comparing it with is subjective human notions of justice, which change over time and CAN be improved. The age of the universe and the earth is also calculated using maths, however Islam teaches muslims that the first humans were made out of clay and that the earth is only a few thousand years old, which we now KNOW is completely false, because the earth and the universe are millions of years old. I ask you to consider things from non-muslim perspectives because we can demonstrate clearly that Islam makes incorrect claims and contains contradictions, which is why we use MANY sources to help form legal codes instead of only one. Islam was wrong 1500 years ago and it is even more wrong now.

Allah does not want whole planet to be muslim . Again this topic begins to shift in a different direction . Allah wants people to use their logic . If you were read Quran (probably not) you could see that . Why I am gullible , because I dont accept your logic ? Why are you always making personal attacks and using epithets . I think this is a general feature of atheists .

It's not shifting elsewhere it's all relevant, you're just avoiding all the questions that disprove your ridiculous theories. You can't claim that Islam advocates logic when it makes numerous illogical claims, such as the age of the earth or that humans were 20 metres tall and were made from clay. These things are completely stupid. Your religion delights attacking non muslims, it is the fundamental basis of this entire thread; that non-muslims are treated very differently, to the point where anyone who wants to leave Islam is sentenced to death (the penalty for apostasy in your peaceful and tolerant religion). Islam doesn't ask people to use their logic, it asks people to submit to a fairy-tale without questioning it. That's the OPPOSITE to using logic. This is a general feature of theists and particularly fundamentalist muslims such as yourself; an inability to apply logic anywhere.

(November 30, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(November 30, 2013 at 4:17 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: What on earth is a secular religious government?

Being secular is not keeping away of religions from state affairs . Secularism is treating people equally regardless of their religion .

Really? *Checks dictionary*

The Dictionary Wrote:Secular
ˈsɛkjʊlə/Submit
adjective
adjective: secular
1.
not connected with religious or spiritual matters.
"secular buildings"
synonyms: non-religious, lay, non-church, temporal, worldly, earthly, profane; More
antonyms: holy, religious, sacred

Oh. Look at that. You're wrong again.

(November 30, 2013 at 4:40 pm)Chas Wrote: There is no such thing as a secular religious government - that is a contradiction.

You seem to be living in a fluffy pink bubble in your head.
The world of Islam and religious governments is a brutal world that you refuse to acknowledge even exists.

Secularism is the separation of church and state as a working definition that everyone know . But people still dont understand what does mean "separation of church/synagog/mosque and state" .

A secular government cannot make oppression on minorities , cannot dictate rules according to their own religions . Clerics cannot involve directly in decisions of the governments . Islam provides all of these , because its main aim is the correction of social life , equality , justice .

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(November 30, 2013 at 4:54 pm)WesOlsen Wrote: ....who wants to leave Islam is sentenced to death (the penalty for apostasy in your peaceful and tolerant religion). Islam doesn't ask people to use their logic ....

There is no such a rule in islam as killing apostates .

Again you dont use your logic .

Quran says "there is no compulsion in religion"

and an hadith says "muslims have right to kill apostates"

This is ridiculous , does not matter what aspect you look at it . So we have words of God/Allah/Jehovah and he says there is no compusion , and in other hand there is a hadith or in another words "story" or "fairy tale" that says kill apostates . Why dont you query this ? If prophet wanted muslims to kill apostates why he didnt write that in Quran , because people would take it more seriously if it was written in quran
(its written by prophet according to atheist logic )

There are hadiths that the prophet want muslims to save non-muslims and want muslims to be nice with non-muslims . So this fairy tales contradict with each other , but you choose the bad one , because you want to believe in bad one , you cant be objective , being objective will always cause you to lose .

I can list many more things , why dont you question these ... Because you will understand that Quran is right if you do that and you choose to bury your head in the sand .

Bye ...

(November 30, 2013 at 5:53 pm)Nineteen Wrote: Secularism is the separation of church and state as a working definition that everyone know . But people still dont understand what does mean "separation of church/synagog/mosque and state" .

The only persons that appears not to know the meaning of secularism is you.

Quote: Islam provides all of these , because its main aim is the correction of social life , equality , justice.

Really? So islamic governments don't dictate rules according to their religion or allow clerics to influence government decisions?