I'm supposed to be grateful to something that can't be proven to exist? I'm going to skip that bit of wasted time and effort and put my gratitude towards things that are demonstrably real...like pork chops.

(December 5, 2013 at 11:55 am)Brian37 Wrote:

Lion IRC Wrote:My religion holds that we are not the efficient cause of our own existence.
I wouldn't even exist if not for The Creator referred to by my religion.

And Muslims say Allah did it, and Jews say that Yahweh did it.

You all point at each other and say "You're wrong" and I say "I agree with all of you".

Evolution is the cause of all life, not your fictional magical sky hero or any for that matter.

When Muslims say Allah and Jews say YHWH I know to Whom they are referring.

(December 5, 2013 at 1:55 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: I'm supposed to be grateful to something that can't be proven to exist? I'm going to skip that bit of wasted time and effort and put my gratitude towards things that are demonstrably real...like pork chops.

Brother, could you pass the pig?

(December 6, 2013 at 1:01 am)Lion IRC Wrote:

(December 5, 2013 at 11:55 am)Brian37 Wrote: And Muslims say Allah did it, and Jews say that Yahweh did it.

You all point at each other and say "You're wrong" and I say "I agree with all of you".

Evolution is the cause of all life, not your fictional magical sky hero or any for that matter.

When Muslims say Allah and Jews say YHWH I know to Whom they are referring.

Even if this answer is an attempt at focusing on your similarities, it's still a cop out because you spend the other 99.9% of your time trying to show just how different you think this same god of a different name is speaking to you.

(December 6, 2013 at 1:01 am)Lion IRC Wrote:

(December 5, 2013 at 11:55 am)Brian37 Wrote: And Muslims say Allah did it, and Jews say that Yahweh did it.

You all point at each other and say "You're wrong" and I say "I agree with all of you".

Evolution is the cause of all life, not your fictional magical sky hero or any for that matter.

When Muslims say Allah and Jews say YHWH I know to Whom they are referring.

Why sure. Just like when Huck Finn refers to "Jim", I know who he means too.

The difference is I also know what Jim is, but I don't know what this Allah/YHWH thingy is supposed to be. (If it's so ineffable, why bring it up?)

Well if god is god is god and the only difference between the Muslim god and the Christian god is the message, how do you know you're going to heaven and they aren't? They reject Jesus Christ as the son of god just like the Jews, dont they? Furthermore doesn't the Bible warn against such thinking?

Quote: Ephesians 4:4-6 strongly emphasizes that there is only one true church. “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”

(December 6, 2013 at 12:11 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Well if god is god is god and the only difference between the Muslim god and the Christian god is the message, how do you know you're going to heaven and they aren't? They reject Jesus Christ as the son of god just like the Jews, dont they? Furthermore doesn't the Bible warn against such thinking?

Quote: Ephesians 4:4-6 strongly emphasizes that there is only one true church. “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”

Yahweh is the God of the Jews and Christians, Allah is originally a moon god that the Muslims try place in the roll of God. This is actually the same thing that Satan was trying to do before the fall of man. Allah is a false god that the Muslims put in place of Yahweh because they could not accept the truth of Yahweh. The greatest difference in Yahweh and Allah is that the founder of the Muslim religion was a man that's now dead and in the grave, There is no founder of Judaism and Christianity, Yahweh the creator is the religion, the creator of all things who has always been and will always be, to found a thing means there was a beginning.

GC

to be honest with you I know nothing of Yahweh or Allah's origins. I was under the impression (when i was a believer) that the Muslims were disinherited by Abraham when he banished his son Ishmael and the maid servant Hagar to the desert (even though Ishmael was by all rights first offspring and confirmed into the clan via circumsicion )and that's why they made up a document claiming their right to inheritence of something (forgive my ignorance, I just didnt care). Mohammad became their Jesus in effect, a messenger of god. and they don't believe Jesus is the son of god but a prophet.

As for Yahweh I found this written by a pastor.
Is it in line with what you believe to be true?

Quote:http://jesus-messiah.com/studies/yahweh-full-copy.html

The Protoindo European god Yayash, Yaë or Yave, a protective god whose symbol was a tree, signifying possibly '"walking", "going", "a pilgrim", has been dated back to the Indus River valley, circa 2900 B.C.E. He has been identified with the Turko Syrian Yahveh, a "sacred animal or organization".

"Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush." "A shorter form, 'Yah', was also used (Exodus 15:2) and some scholars believe that this is the older form, originating in an exclamation to God -'Yah!' - which came to be accepted as the divine name. Others claim that it is from the root 'hayah', 'to be' or 'to become', and that it meant 'I am that I am' or I will be that I will be'. According to one tradition of the call of Moses, the divine name Yahweh was revealed to him in Egypt: - Great Events of Bible Times

"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family: Y represented El the Father; H was Asherah the Mother; W corresponded to He the Son; and H was the Daughter Anath. In accordance with the royal traditions of the time and region, God's mysterious bride, the Matronit, was also reckoned to be his sister. In the Jewish cult of the Cabbala God's dual male-female image was perpetuated. Meanwhile other sects perceived the Shekinah or Matronit as the female presence of God on Earth. The divine marital chamber was the sanctuary of the Jerusalem Temple, but from the moment the Temple was destroyed, the Matronit was destined to roam the Earth while the male aspect of Jehovah was left to rule the heavens alone." - Laurence Gardner, Bloodline of the Holy Grail, p. 18

Because Abraham was real, of course.

(December 6, 2013 at 12:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: Allah is originally a moon god that the Muslims try place in the roll of God.

I didn't know this. Could you elaborate more on Allah's origins?