I'm supposed to be grateful to something that can't be proven to exist? I'm going to skip that bit of wasted time and effort and put my gratitude towards things that are demonstrably real...like pork chops.
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The question that makes fundies hostile
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(December 5, 2013 at 11:55 am)Brian37 Wrote:Lion IRC Wrote:My religion holds that we are not the efficient cause of our own existence. When Muslims say Allah and Jews say YHWH I know to Whom they are referring. (December 6, 2013 at 1:01 am)Lion IRC Wrote:(December 5, 2013 at 11:55 am)Brian37 Wrote: And Muslims say Allah did it, and Jews say that Yahweh did it. Even if this answer is an attempt at focusing on your similarities, it's still a cop out because you spend the other 99.9% of your time trying to show just how different you think this same god of a different name is speaking to you. (December 6, 2013 at 1:01 am)Lion IRC Wrote:(December 5, 2013 at 11:55 am)Brian37 Wrote: And Muslims say Allah did it, and Jews say that Yahweh did it. Why sure. Just like when Huck Finn refers to "Jim", I know who he means too. The difference is I also know what Jim is, but I don't know what this Allah/YHWH thingy is supposed to be. (If it's so ineffable, why bring it up?)
Well if god is god is god and the only difference between the Muslim god and the Christian god is the message, how do you know you're going to heaven and they aren't? They reject Jesus Christ as the son of god just like the Jews, dont they? Furthermore doesn't the Bible warn against such thinking?
Quote: Ephesians 4:4-6 strongly emphasizes that there is only one true church. “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite. Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment. Quote:Some people deserve hell. I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong. (December 6, 2013 at 12:11 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Well if god is god is god and the only difference between the Muslim god and the Christian god is the message, how do you know you're going to heaven and they aren't? They reject Jesus Christ as the son of god just like the Jews, dont they? Furthermore doesn't the Bible warn against such thinking? Yahweh is the God of the Jews and Christians, Allah is originally a moon god that the Muslims try place in the roll of God. This is actually the same thing that Satan was trying to do before the fall of man. Allah is a false god that the Muslims put in place of Yahweh because they could not accept the truth of Yahweh. The greatest difference in Yahweh and Allah is that the founder of the Muslim religion was a man that's now dead and in the grave, There is no founder of Judaism and Christianity, Yahweh the creator is the religion, the creator of all things who has always been and will always be, to found a thing means there was a beginning. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
to be honest with you I know nothing of Yahweh or Allah's origins. I was under the impression (when i was a believer) that the Muslims were disinherited by Abraham when he banished his son Ishmael and the maid servant Hagar to the desert (even though Ishmael was by all rights first offspring and confirmed into the clan via circumsicion )and that's why they made up a document claiming their right to inheritence of something (forgive my ignorance, I just didnt care). Mohammad became their Jesus in effect, a messenger of god. and they don't believe Jesus is the son of god but a prophet.
As for Yahweh I found this written by a pastor. Is it in line with what you believe to be true? Quote:http://jesus-messiah.com/studies/yahweh-full-copy.html
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite. Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment. Quote:Some people deserve hell. I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Because Abraham was real, of course.
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