(December 8, 2013 at 11:03 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: This merely proves the antisemitism of modern culture. I dare to speak out in defence of the Jews & look what happens!

What are "Jews"? I'm offended by that terminology. My Jewish Persian American human friend is not a 'Jew'. He is a human being and New Yorker who happens to be from the Jewish religion. He is not racially or ethnically related to the Jewish Russian and German American humans who also live in NYC who are also just normal New Yorkers. He is tied by a religious and cultural bond - that's it. Tiny 1% genetic aleles do not make a racial or ethnic group. He looks Persian. Your racialization of a religious group is exactly what the 19th century racists would have wanted. Congratulations for making their dream come true.

(December 7, 2013 at 10:38 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: .
I'm not a racist. It doesn't matter where they came from, it merely matters where their culture is now; & the Jews are some of the most sophisticated people in the world while the Arabs are primitive savages.

You say you're not racist, then say racist things. Hmm.

(December 9, 2013 at 12:27 am)theyear12013 Wrote:

(December 8, 2013 at 11:03 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: This merely proves the antisemitism of modern culture. I dare to speak out in defence of the Jews & look what happens!

What are "Jews"? I'm offended by that terminology. My Jewish Persian American human friend is not a 'Jew'. He is a human being and New Yorker who happens to be from the Jewish religion. He is not racially or ethnically related to the Jewish Russian and German American humans who also live in NYC who are also just normal New Yorkers. He is tied by a religious and cultural bond - that's it. Tiny 1% genetic aleles do not make a racial or ethnic group. He looks Persian. Your racialization of a religious group is exactly what the 19th century racists would have wanted. Congratulations for making their dream come true.

When have I referred to the Jews as an ethnic group? I have repeatedly stated that they are a cultural group. You pathetic attempts to smear me are disgusting.

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(December 9, 2013 at 12:38 am)futilethewinds Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 10:38 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: .
I'm not a racist. It doesn't matter where they came from, it merely matters where their culture is now; & the Jews are some of the most sophisticated people in the world while the Arabs are primitive savages.

You say you're not racist, then say racist things. Hmm.

You you are denying that Arab culture is primitive & savage? Also, funny that you should defend Arab culture, as you would be killed simply for being a homosexual in most Arab countries & Iran.

Define "Arab culture".

While you're at it, look up "bigotry".

Considering Anti-Homosexual fervor throughout Christian and Islamic Africa, Orthodox Russia, etc, this is in no way unique to pan-Arabian or pan-Islamic culture.

For your info, there is a significant amount of documented anti-homosexual ideology among Israeli Orthodox Jews.

Want to claim those farts smell of flowers too?

(December 9, 2013 at 12:57 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Define "Arab culture".

While you're at it, look up "bigotry".

Considering Anti-Homosexual fervor throughout Christian and Islamic Africa, Orthodox Russia, etc, this is in no way unique to pan-Arabian or pan-Islamic culture.

For your info, there is a significant amount of documented anti-homosexual ideology among Israeli Orthodox Jews.

Want to claim those farts smell of flowers too?

Arab culture: The culture of the Arab people (Arabs being defined as a linguistic group who speak Arabic).

And of course homophobia isn't unique to the Muslims. We frequently see it here in Canada & America as well. The reason I bring this up is because Russia (which has also been degenerating into savagery since Lenin died) hasn't attacked Israel, a country whose name is synonymous with sexual tolerance.

Also, I am more than aware about the homophobia coming from some religious Jews, which is why it is good that Israel is a secular country run almost exclusively by atheists who support LGBT rights.

non religious jew??

thats non existing ...becouse ur dis-jewed when u do not want to belief in yahweh ...and u suddenly belong to the group homo sapiens sapiens..

in a documentary a rabbi told that u r no longer considered to be a jew if u dont belief the crap they r telling any more..

the same goes for kristians and muzzies.. u r cast out .
and u ll finally belong to humanity ..

religions r just fashist organisations that r interested in expanding and keeping their influence over specific groups of people by giving them the feel they own the truth and are unique...somehow.

I don't get it. So you don't think the term Jews denotes an ethnic, racial or even genetic group? So how are we sure that people who were labeled or call themselves Jewish human beings are related to the people who owned the land 2000 years ago? Perhaps as Shlomo Sand postulated the Palestinians are the likely descendants of the original Hebrews. Without an ethnic or genetic characterization its doubly insane to say yes random cultural Jewish people you should immigrate there because your culture told you its yours from 2000 years ago though you weren't even related to the region since really its just a culture with no ethnic connotation. Finally the Rabbis who control Aliyah certainly don't agree with you on the non-ethnic characterization of the terms Jews.

I guess we agree then. Israel should give up Judaism and Jewishness as important categories in civic life and just call themselves secular atheists -- and allow Arab secular atheists to join them in their safe haven away from the Abrahamics all around them.

(December 9, 2013 at 2:28 pm)theyear12013 Wrote: I don't get it. So you don't think the term Jews denotes an ethnic, racial or even genetic group? So how are we sure that people who were labeled or call themselves Jewish human beings are related to the people who owned the land 2000 years ago? Perhaps as Shlomo Sand postulated the Palestinians are the likely descendants of the original Hebrews. Without an ethnic or genetic characterization its doubly insane to say yes random cultural Jewish people you should immigrate there because your culture told you its yours from 2000 years ago though you weren't even related to the region since really its just a culture with no ethnic connotation. Finally the Rabbis who control Aliyah certainly don't agree with you on the non-ethnic characterization of the terms Jews.

I guess we agree then. Israel should give up Judaism and Jewishness as important categories in civic life and just call themselves secular atheists -- and allow Arab secular atheists to join them in their safe haven away from the Abrahamics all around them.

indeed, u r not considered a jew anymore but an outcast ...

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Furthermore, this is the attitude of many Orthodox rabbis today, including the Satmar Rebbe. Orthodox Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, writing for the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, for the National Conference of Synagogue Youth (Orthodox), in his book "The Real Messiah," on page 21 writes:

"This brings us back to our original question: What can a Jew lose by embracing Christianity? The answer is everything. Christianity negates the fundamentals of Jewish faith, and one who accepts it ejects the very essence of Judaism. Even if he/she continues to keep all of the rituals, it is the same as if he/she abandoned Judaism competely. The Talmud teaches us, 'Whoever accepts idolatry, denies the entire Torah'. A Jew who accepts Christianity might call himself a 'Jewish-Christian', but he/she is no longer a Jew."

Rabbi Kaplan refers to Maimonides' Mishneh Torah, Avodat Kochavim 2:5 in support of his statement. Here Rambam states "adayin hoo lo yisrael" (he is no longer a Jew).

See also Maimonides, Hilchot Mamrim Perek 3, Halacha 1-3.

It was clearly spelled out by one of the former Chief Rabbis of Israel:

"They are Christians in every way -- the minute they believe in Jesus -- even if they don't officially join another faith."

This is also the official position of the current Chief Rabbis of Israel -- Rabbi I.M. Lau and Rabbi E. Bakshi-Doron. As they stated in an official proclamation of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, 1998:

"There are Christian groups that call themselves 'Messianic Jews' whose faith is totally alien to the Jewish faith, and members of these groups who were born to Jewish parents have a status of apostates who removed themselves from the Jewish Nation."

Quote:You say you're not racist, then say racist things. Hmm.

As Chris Rock has noted, whenever you hear the phrase " "I'm not a racist...." Get ready because the next shit coming out of their mouths will be the most racist shit ever."

(December 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Who is given the authority to decide which religious group should gain an entire plot of land?

This is religious favoritism.

Being a Jew is more than just religious beliefs. Most Jews dont appear to be very religious. And there are many atheist Jews. The religion some Jews believe is bullshit. As they all are. I'm talking about Jews the people, not the religious beliefs some have.

(December 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Everything is bigger in Texas I hear.

Perhaps bigotry is super sized as well.

You're still a racist by the loose and slippery definition of Race and Racism.

And apparently being an ass is supersized where you live.

I'll go with being a bigot. That's fine. I'm a bigot against any human that chooses to believe in religous bullshit. And I'm more of a bigot toward some religions compared to others. But if I can choose my "race" by my beliefs then what races did I switch between when I went from Southern Baptist to Atheist?

It's generally accepted that you shouldn't hold something against someone because of what they are. What they didn't decide and can't change. Such as their ethnic group or gender or disability.

But their beliefs?

That's fair game. Here on this little ol' forum we attack religious types of every bent because of their beliefs. Now you have problem with me doing so? If I was more of an ass I might call that being hypocritical.