Why do so many People Hate Zionism?

[Rev. Rye]

Anti-Zionists do tend to ignore the fact that the Palestinians do the same thing.

yeah but who started it in 1948

The Brits. They took over the area in WW1 and set up the state of Israel over the next thirty years.

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

And what thanks do we get?

[EgoRaptor]

And what thanks do we get?

You get to listen to anti-Zionists blabbering racist bullshit at you.

[Autumnlicious]

Yes it is, you dumbshit!

By the definitions of "race" that I cited earlier, adherence to Islam qualifies it as a race!

No, it's not. Your broad reading of the definition is so broad as to be useless. The list of characteristics is not "if it's A or B or C ... then it's Z", it is an illustrative list of possible shared characteristics of a race.

By your definition, Christianity is a race, Trekkies are a race.

Chas, I always knew you were a dumbfuck, but I'd expect you to at least provide a counter definition.

I pulled a definition used by academia.

All you can do is be intellectually dishonest.

[Autumnlicious]

And you're plain wrong too.

The list used the inclusive OR through use of "And/Or".

Which means race can be a set of 1 for items on that list or a set of n items .

Learn your basic logic, fuck wit.

[Chas]

No, it's not. Your broad reading of the definition is so broad as to be useless. The list of characteristics is not "if it's A or B or C ... then it's Z", it is an illustrative list of possible shared characteristics of a race.

By your definition, Christianity is a race, Trekkies are a race.

Chas, I always knew you were a dumbfuck, but I'd expect you to at least provide a counter definition.

I pulled a definition used by academia.

All you can do is be intellectually dishonest.

You are clearly too stupid to understand what I wrote. That is consistent with you not even understanding the definition you posted.

That definition does not say what you seem to think it says. You apparently don't even understand the meaning of 'intellectually dishonest'.

The U.N. doesn't include religion in its description of racism. Try reading this. No religion included.

We could have had this discussion reasonably, but you had to be a real asshole. Fuck you.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Zionism is a movement that recognizes the Jewish right to self-determination & the historic secular links the Jews have to their homeland. So answer this anti-Zionists; why do you hate the Jews?

I don't hate Zionism.
That doesn't mean that I have to support Zionists.
I only believe in blood and honour. The right to self determination is only determined by blood and honour.
Whether it was gained by blood, and whether it was gained in an honourable fashion.
For the Jews, yes, they have spilled blood and managed to lay claim on the holy lands, just as the muslims did before. Yet the fact that they exist as the outpost of someone else, and with extensive external assistance makes their presence there less honourable.
Zionism is merely a dream without the assistance of others, as it also serves to ignite arab national pride and consciousness.
And if the arabs were ever to unite, I'm sure the Jewish presence in the Middle east would become but a footnote in history.

[EgoRaptor]

And if the arabs were ever to unite, I'm sure the Jewish presence in the Middle east would become but a footnote in history.

You again (sigh)...
Actually there would be no Arabs left.

[Jackalope]

And if the arabs were ever to unite, I'm sure the Jewish presence in the Middle east would become but a footnote in history.

Were the Arabs to unite and try to do such a thing, I hope that they have a use for some city-sized ashtrays. I seriously doubt Israel will sit idly by and allow a second holocaust without using their nuclear arsenal.

I sincerely hope, for the world's sake, that it never happens.

[kılıç_mehmet]

And if the arabs were ever to unite, I'm sure the Jewish presence in the Middle east would become but a footnote in history.

You again (sigh)...
Actually there would be no Arabs left.

You say that 5 million Jews can take on 200 million arabs? Even with all the flashy gear they have, they have been severely humiliated in Lebanon.
The Jews are a people who have historically been dependent on other nations for survival, and today, their survival in the holy lands is dependent on how much the other nations actually protect them. So I guess you ought to make ready for another Crusade to the holy lands. DEUS VULT!

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And if the arabs were ever to unite, I'm sure the Jewish presence in the Middle east would become but a footnote in history.

Were the Arabs to unite and try to do such a thing, I hope that they have a use for some city-sized ashtrays. I seriously doubt Israel will sit idly by and allow a second holocaust without using their nuclear arsenal.

I sincerely hope, for the world's sake, that it never happens.

It will, some day. It matters little whether Israel has all the nukes in the world, they are still five million, while the arabs are 40 times their number, and have a much stronger, local presence, not to mention having arabs within the borders of Israel and at their doorstep.
I'm sure that they might bomb a few arab cities, and kill a couple million of arabs just by those means, but in turn, they will lose everything. It will be just as the story of Samson.

And I stress an Arab-Jewish war here, as I'm fairly certain it would not require help from any other muslim nations to actually pull this off. The arabs themselves are more than enough, though they are fools, divided by rather petty games of others. Just look at the situation in Egypt and in Syria. Fools, they are, but they are boastful with pride, as they have a strong national history as conquerors and warriors of renown, I'm sure they will not tolerate a Jewish state in their own domain for much longer. The Jews on the other hand have the same pride, and a religious connection to the land. They too will not go without a fight. Though they might flee as they did before, if they somehow feel as though as help is not going to come. So it all depends on how the west will react to this. And if the west reacts, so will the east, and then we have another world war again. So I'd say, let the Jews and Arabs handle this amongst their own. Though I'm already telling you that the outcome is pretty clear.