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December 11, 2013 at 11:26 am
(December 10, 2013 at 1:27 am)snowtracks Wrote: possible doesn't mean probable. got it. but not disposed to laminate it for my wallet to carry around.
Right, because the subconscious requires dogma to be clung to at all costs to prevent the "self" from breaking down.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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December 11, 2013 at 11:42 am
(December 11, 2013 at 8:44 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 8:41 am)daandaan Wrote: its more like god is subjected to evolution ...every now and then religion has to come up with other lies trying to make a case for him. Ooooo, that that is a deep and fascinating concept. Gods being Subject to evolutionary imperatives. Me likey!
i m glad u do ...and dont forget ..ur god is just the sun...anyawu..
so he has evolved a lot since 50.000 yrs back when he was invented..
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December 11, 2013 at 4:08 pm
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(December 11, 2013 at 3:35 am)Ryantology Wrote: You should replace your signature with something less deceptive. Einstein definitely did not believe in your god.
“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
Albert Einstein, in a letter March 24, 1954; from Albert Einstein the Human Side, Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, eds., Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1981, p. 43.
“My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.”
Albert Einstein in a letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 216. so the thinking is i'm trying to deceptively persuade believe in God from a quote from an agnostic secular Jewish eminent theoretical physicist.
(December 11, 2013 at 8:41 am)Chas Wrote: (December 7, 2013 at 11:30 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: OK, I have to interject on this one...
Are you really trying to tell us that someone did a study on whether or not the Easter bunny created the universe? OK, I really need to see that one. Link, please 
I believe that was humor. 
thank you, someone came to my rescue. perhaps i shouldn't be so subtle.
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December 12, 2013 at 2:49 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 4:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 3:35 am)Ryantology Wrote: You should replace your signature with something less deceptive. Einstein definitely did not believe in your god.
“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
Albert Einstein, in a letter March 24, 1954; from Albert Einstein the Human Side, Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, eds., Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1981, p. 43.
“My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.”
Albert Einstein in a letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 216. so the thinking is i'm trying to deceptively persuade believe in God from a quote from an agnostic secular Jewish eminent theoretical physicist.
No, the thinking is that you are trying to bolster your position by a fallacious appeal to authority and quote-mining.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste -- don't pollute it with bullshit.
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December 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 2:49 pm)Godlesspanther Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 4:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: so the thinking is i'm trying to deceptively persuade believe in God from a quote from an agnostic secular Jewish eminent theoretical physicist.
No, the thinking is that you are trying to bolster your position by a fallacious appeal to authority and quote-mining.
ok, i'll take a 'yes' (stays) or 'no' (drop) poll thru dec 18. 2/3 'no' votes for a 'drop'.
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December 12, 2013 at 3:09 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (December 12, 2013 at 2:49 pm)Godlesspanther Wrote: No, the thinking is that you are trying to bolster your position by a fallacious appeal to authority and quote-mining.
ok, i'll take a 'yes' (stays) or 'no' (drop) poll thru dec 18. 2/3 'no' votes for a 'drop'.
Huh? You want people to vote on whether you stay or not? Why would you let others determine it for you? If you want to stay, stay. Otherwise . . . .
Letting others do your thinking for you is what got you into religion in the first place. Knock it off.
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December 12, 2013 at 3:28 pm
I vote you quit that religion of yours.
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December 12, 2013 at 3:43 pm
^ haha ;D
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December 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Christian theism best accounts for the U. source and singular beginning, order, and fine-tuning qualities, and is the best hypothesis for human beings: existence, consciousness, rationality, and free agency. it's the best explanation going based on the evidence and without an appeal to the future. this would explain why atheists need to keep reminding themselves that God doesn't exist along with the reason that human beings were made the image of God.
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December 12, 2013 at 3:51 pm
(December 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Christian theism best accounts for the U. source and singular beginning, order, and fine-tuning qualities, and is the best hypothesis for human beings: existence, consciousness, rationality, and free agency. it's the best explanation going based on the evidence and without an appeal to the future.
And I would hear the exact same thing from hindus or muslims or jews or..... any religion in fact.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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