(December 16, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Sorry to disappoint you, but tens of thousands of soldiers have crosses on there graves, Christian and non christian alike. Some have there particular religious symbol on the crosses. In my area there are thousands of crosses on military graves.

Sorry to disappoint YOU, but tens of thousands out of millions doesn't contradict my claim, and it wouldn't bother me if there were tens of millions. I'm happy if every soldier is commemorated the way they would have liked to have been on their own grave.

(December 16, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: I have no problem with our constitution, period, it's the greatest document ever written. The problem I have is with 200 years of religious freedom in this country are being torn down by a few who use the constitution to push their agenda.

Our agenda of upholding the Constitution.

(December 16, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Christians where never pushing an agenda the freedoms we had were a great part of this nation and the people in the past understood this and if they did not believe they accepted the position they were in. Just as if I went to Iran I would know that I need to accept where I am and not push to upset the people of Iran.

Fortunately, the framers seem not to have wanted America to be a Christianist state the Iran is an Islamist one. I think it's profoundly un-American to wish it were otherwise, but it's a free country.

(December 16, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: I was not pointing to anyone in particular here, though I would bet a few here would be in favor of removing them, their hate for anything Christian want allow them to be any different, I see things as they are not as others think they are.

I would bet you like to uncharitably insinuate on to others positions they do not hold, and going somewhere the views you project on us are actually held wouldn't afford you the same opportunity to talk out of both sides of your mouth.

(December 16, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: There will be a day those crosses will be in jeopardy, it's the nature of the beast, and I do mean beast.
GC

If you live long enough to die of old age, you'll go still thinking that 'the Beast' is right around the corner, about to show up any day now.

(December 16, 2013 at 1:16 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Military cemetaries typically have headstones, not crosses (most of the exceptions date back over a century), and dead non-Christian soldiers aren't marginalized by having a giant cross built over them on military cemetaries (Mt. Soledad was an exception to that rule until recently). The markers are meant to honor each individual soldier, not as an opportunity to paint them all with the same religious brush. There's no issue with a cross on one soldier's grave in a military cemetary if another soldier can have their grave marked as they would have wished in a different way.

Right. Because not every soldier has a cross on his grave:

(December 16, 2013 at 3:36 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: PSSST!

hey...Christians...

Yeah, you...

United States Christians of the atheist forums...

PSSST!

Yeah! Look over here!

Listen:

The United States' government is...

SECULAR!


Citations:

The Treaty of Tripoli
Establishment Clause
The First Amendment
Separation Between Church and State

You do know the Treaty of Tripoli was American dishonesty towards the Tripoli of Barbary state, right?

And since when it is acceptable to use Wikipedia as a citation?

(December 16, 2013 at 9:38 pm)Polaris Wrote: You do know the Treaty of Tripoli was American dishonesty towards the Tripoli of Barbary state, right?

And since when it is acceptable to use Wikipedia as a citation?

So what if it was? We were trying to get the damned pirates to stop attacking our ships... and our Christians, as they were being extra persecuted because they weren't Muslims! The point is the language, ratified by the senate, is very clear: we were not founded on the Christian religion.

Wiki is a perfectly acceptable citation if the authors of the articles are citing correctly... especially when the exact language of the Treaty (or any other document) is right there in that article.

(December 16, 2013 at 10:16 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(December 16, 2013 at 9:38 pm)Polaris Wrote: You do know the Treaty of Tripoli was American dishonesty towards the Tripoli of Barbary state, right?

And since when it is acceptable to use Wikipedia as a citation?

So what if it was? We were trying to get the damned pirates to stop attacking our ships... and our Christians, as they were being extra persecuted because they weren't Muslims! The point is the language, ratified by the senate, is very clear: we were not founded on the Christian religion.

Wiki is a perfectly acceptable citation if the authors of the articles are citing correctly... especially when the exact language of the Treaty (or any other document) is right there in that article.

Wikipedia where I found them stating the 7 Years' War lasted nine years.

(December 16, 2013 at 10:23 pm)Polaris Wrote: Wikipedia where I found them stating the 7 Years' War lasted nine years.

And did you check the sources? Most intelligent people question what they are told and do further research on their own. Anyone's intellectual bankruptcy is his own decision.

(December 16, 2013 at 10:26 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(December 16, 2013 at 10:23 pm)Polaris Wrote: Wikipedia where I found them stating the 7 Years' War lasted nine years.

And did you check the sources? Most intelligent people question what they are told and do further research on their own. Anyone's intellectual bankruptcy is his own decision.

Intelligent people just skip the middle man.

(December 16, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Just as if I went to Iran I would know that I need to accept where I am and not push to upset the people of Iran.

I am one of "the people" you clueless, disenfranchising douche bag. But thanks for letting me know that you consider atheists and Hindus as having less say in the will of the people than Christians, at least in your view, anyway. Your analogy makes it clear that you consider that this country belongs to "the people" — meaning Christians, and that, according to you, if you aren't a Christian, you're only being tolerated. Well I've got news for you, asshole, we are every bit as much "the people" as you Christians are, and we don't have to "play the guest" with you because you don't fucking own this country. But thanks for making your views that non-Christians, to you, are second-class citizens, evident. Thank you for making that plain for all to see, fucked up as that view is. Now take your Christian privilege and shove it up your ass. I am not a guest here, Christian, any more than you are.

(December 16, 2013 at 10:29 pm)Polaris Wrote:

(December 16, 2013 at 10:26 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: And did you check the sources? Most intelligent people question what they are told and do further research on their own. Anyone's intellectual bankruptcy is his own decision.

Intelligent people just skip the middle man.

Oh, for Christ's sake.

Actually I know many religious symbols on public land but I am not going to lead any angry atheist to them.