(December 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm)Chas Wrote:

(December 18, 2013 at 5:14 am)I and I Wrote: At no point did I ever ask for evidence that the Caucasian featured european looking Israelis are genetically similar to one another and at no point did I state otherwise.

I asking for evidence that they are genetically related to the believers of Judaism described in religious books.

Now, where in the hell do you get the idea that a group of euro trash believing in Judaism are somehow genetically related to non european middle eastern group of people thousands of years ago.

And where is your evidence to back up your claim that believers in Judaism were expelled from roman held territories? What history cites this?

Oh and. WHY DID THE EARLY ZIONIST MOVEMENT CONSIDER MOVING TO UGANDA BEFORE THEY PICKED THE MIDDLE EAST?

Why do you keep ignoring the genetic evidence we have repeatedly provided?

You are very dishonest to do so.

The links provided showed that a group of people with european Caucasian features share key similar DNA. No shit. And that's not what I asked for. I asked for evidence that Israelis today are genetically similar to believers in Judaism in the Middle East during biblical times.

(December 18, 2013 at 12:49 pm)I and I Wrote:

(December 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm)Chas Wrote: Why do you keep ignoring the genetic evidence we have repeatedly provided?

You are very dishonest to do so.

The links provided showed that a group of people with european Caucasian features share key similar DNA. No shit. And that's not what I asked for. I asked for evidence that Israelis today are genetically similar to believers in Judaism in the Middle East during biblical times.

You didn't actually understand the evidence, then, because it does show that.

Islamic Government of Iran pay millions dollars moneys for advertising against Israel and Zionism in the world. but only a few people in Iran are enemy of Israel.

(December 18, 2013 at 1:56 pm)A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c Wrote: Islamic Government of Iran pay millions dollars moneys for advertising against Israel and Zionism in the world. but only a few people in Iran are enemy of Israel.

Unfortunately those "few people" are the ones in charge trying to cook up nukes.

(December 18, 2013 at 3:17 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(December 18, 2013 at 1:56 pm)A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c Wrote: Islamic Government of Iran pay millions dollars moneys for advertising against Israel and Zionism in the world. but only a few people in Iran are enemy of Israel.

Unfortunately those "few people" are the ones in charge trying to cook up nukes.

And what evidence do you have that Iran has or is trying to make nukes?

(December 18, 2013 at 10:12 pm)I and I Wrote:

(December 18, 2013 at 3:17 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Unfortunately those "few people" are the ones in charge trying to cook up nukes.

And what evidence do you have that Iran has or is trying to make nukes?

Do we need any hen you will simply ignore it anyway? (Like you did with the evidence showing that European Jews are indeed semitic).

(December 18, 2013 at 10:38 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote:

(December 18, 2013 at 10:12 pm)I and I Wrote: And what evidence do you have that Iran has or is trying to make nukes?

Do we need any hen you will simply ignore it anyway? (Like you did with the evidence showing that European Jews are indeed semitic).

I showed how the links you claimed were evidence answered a question I didn't ask and had nothing to do with linking Caucasian white skinned features Israelis to Semitic tribes of the Middle East thousands of years ago. Unless you believe god changes their skin color and physical features???

Proof that Iran has it is building nuclear weapons. Put up or shut up.

Are you against middle eastern countries having nukes?.......

(December 18, 2013 at 11:11 pm)I and I Wrote:

(December 18, 2013 at 10:38 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: Do we need any hen you will simply ignore it anyway? (Like you did with the evidence showing that European Jews are indeed semitic).

I showed how the links you claimed were evidence answered a question I didn't ask and had nothing to do with linking Caucasian white skinned features Israelis to Semitic tribes of the Middle East thousands of years ago. Unless you believe god changes their skin color and physical features???

Proof that Iran has it is building nuclear weapons. Put up or shut up.

Are you against middle eastern countries having nukes?.......

I am against hateful racist Arabs having nukes, yes. That would threaten the barely balanced semi-peace of the region.

(December 18, 2013 at 11:21 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote:

(December 18, 2013 at 11:11 pm)I and I Wrote: I showed how the links you claimed were evidence answered a question I didn't ask and had nothing to do with linking Caucasian white skinned features Israelis to Semitic tribes of the Middle East thousands of years ago. Unless you believe god changes their skin color and physical features???

Proof that Iran has it is building nuclear weapons. Put up or shut up.

Are you against middle eastern countries having nukes?.......

I am against hateful racist Arabs having nukes, yes. That would threaten the barely balanced semi-peace of the region.

Not what I asked. I asked if you are against middle eastern countries having nukes. Either you are or aren't.

The genetic links are specious and in the end an irrelevant red herring. Do we grant Irish Americans, Italian Americans, Catholic Americans the right to go back to Italy and create a state? Why not Christian Arabs the right to create a Christian state in Israel's spot since they are in such a weak position.

No nation state makes its legitimacy via such flimsy grounds.

Israel has legitimacy because it won wars, not because of Jewish human beings claimed link to the land 2000 years ago. That it continues to justify its existence via the religion Judaism should make it an object of ridicule for all Atheists. The country will stick around regardless of this debate, but it should be 100% secular and devoid of the pronouncements of a 6000 year old cult. Secular Arabs should be able to immigrate there, make business, become billionaires and win an election.