Oh yes, I think a man should have the right to choose not to pay for/know a child he doesn't want, up the the point where the woman can no longer abort. That would solve a lot of problems.

I'm in favour of abortion. for any reason whatsoever until 26 weeks. See no reason not to be.

(December 18, 2013 at 5:57 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Oh yes, I think a man should have the right to choose not to pay for/know a child he doesn't want, up the the point where the woman can no longer abort. That would solve a lot of problems.

I am pro-choice, and also agree that we should give males the option to forego any commitment, financial or otherwise, within the same time frame of a female's ability to acquire an abortion. I do not like the idea of putting ANYONE through the strain of child rearing and supporting if they cannot do so without significant burden, and even without a possible burden I still like the idea of choice in this matter since I find the concept of parenthood to be a personal decision.

I am an atheist and for myself I am ProLife (I just know I can not go through an abortion) but Pro-Choice for women everywhere. I do not believe in putting women's bodies up for legislation

(December 19, 2013 at 1:02 pm)MBella29 Wrote: I am an atheist and for myself I am ProLife (I just know I can not go through an abortion) but Pro-Choice for women everywhere. I do not believe in putting women's bodies up for legislation :)

That's just called "pro-choice"

"Pro-life" is when you would be all for putting women's bodies up for legislation. ;)

(December 16, 2013 at 1:45 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote:

(December 16, 2013 at 1:12 pm)JohnCrichton72 Wrote: Yeah heaven forbid there be consequences to your actions. As I said flagrant abuse of sexual freedoms for personal satisfaction, and theists say we can't have morals...........

Except it isn't a crime for a woman to have sex, so saying she deserves a life sentence is a bit of a joke, don't you think?

(December 16, 2013 at 1:12 pm)JohnCrichton72 Wrote: Parents do not own their children, at what point does it become a life. If there is even a possibility that it could be in question, you stand point becomes morally reprehensible.

When it's born. Before that, it's part of a woman's body, and she can do whatever the fuck she wants with it.

Actually, he does have a very good point. I personally disagree, but just for arguments sake I'm going to point out that women do have a responsibility to use contraception.

Also, I'm going to cal you out on the second point this point, & not merely for arguments sake. Strict term limits should be set on abortion. I believe a baby gains rights when it develops enough to be a thinking organism. This happens before birth. If a woman is too irresponsible to use contraception or get an abortion before the child develops than that is her own problem.

Of course women should be able to abort embryos & other early stage babies. But thinks like partial-birth abortions are just despicable.

(December 18, 2013 at 1:44 am)JohnCrichton72 Wrote: The universal condoning of abortion with horrible libtarb, overtly feministic to the point of sexist reasoning makes me think it's time to move on from this forum already.

This calls for the LastPoet's trade mark response:

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

If you are jarred enough to get paused by a single member's reply to you, in order to whine about how you feel offended, then this is not the forum for you. You know, freedom of speech within the forum rules. I am an egalitarian and since women are the carriers and default nurturers to children you have no claim in their decisions about their bodies.

(December 18, 2013 at 1:44 am)JohnCrichton72 Wrote: The universal condoning of abortion with horrible libtarb, overtly feministic to the point of sexist reasoning makes me think it's time to move on from this forum already.

As if calling points of view 'libtard' or feministic counts as an argument. Have fun finding a new place that embraces idiots, there's plenty out there for you.

(December 18, 2013 at 5:41 am)genkaus Wrote: I'm pro-choice - through and through. The question of irresponsibility here does not matter. Whether or not they were being irresponsible, the woman gets to choose whether or not to avoid having the responsibility of the baby. The man is stuck with her choice - which as a pro-choice advocate, I find galling.

Consider this: Would you be any less galled by the situation by which an adult has a say as to whether another competent adult has an invasive medical procedure or not? ...or whether they give birth?

Which opinion takes precedence when they don't agree? For me, that answer is easy.

(December 19, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Psykhronic Wrote:

(December 18, 2013 at 1:44 am)JohnCrichton72 Wrote: The universal condoning of abortion with horrible libtarb, overtly feministic to the point of sexist reasoning makes me think it's time to move on from this forum already.

As if calling points of view 'libtard' or feministic counts as an argument. Have fun finding a new place that embraces idiots, there's plenty out there for you.

Nora outright told him to kill himself, does that count as an argument?