(December 23, 2013 at 6:18 am)savedwheat Wrote: I care what you think. Have you thought about this?

12 Historical Facts (Most Critical Scholars Believe These 12 items)

1. Jesus died by crucifixion.

2. He was buried.

3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.

4. The tomb was empty (the most contested).

5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof).

6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers.

7. The resurrection was the central message.

8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem.

9. The Church was born and grew.

10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship.

11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic).

12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).

Let's suppose every item is true. How is it evidence that there is a God?

The evidence I require is that your god shows his existence to me in a way that I would expect. I do not need to specify a type of specific miracle as said God would know what it would take for me to believe. In essence the proof I need is ur god making me believe I his existace.

(December 23, 2013 at 9:03 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: It is possible to prove a negative.

Science - Pluto is not a planet

Pluto is a Kuiper Belt Object, and thus has the characteristics of a planetoid in that it is an object orbiting a star.

Quote:Medicine - Negative test results

You mean; Failed to disprove the Null Hypothesis, which is precisely what your deity also fails to disprove...

Quote:Law - Not guilty.

The law determines guilt, not innocence. A not guilty verdict simply means the prosecution failed to meet their burden of proof. Sound familiar?

Quote:Christianity has excelled from its earliest days because people think it's evil to kill people like Jesus was killed and the Apostles were killed, but it is not the desire of God any of us suffer.

From this I deduce that you believe any stupid thing you are told as long as someone claims to say it in the name of the god who doesn't exist.

You are not worth my time.

Oh - he's still here, goodie.

My turn. 2 things:

1. What evidence do I need to believe in God?

The first piece of evidence would be God knowing what he has to do to convince me. All knowing - its a bitch.

2. Something from nothing or eternal God?

Gotta go with something from nothing, if those are my only 2 choices. Neither are appealing but the God option specifies he made the universe "from nothing," so the something from nothing without God requires one less supposition.

That which does not exist can't cause anything.

(December 24, 2013 at 2:45 am)savedwheat Wrote: That which does not exist can't cause anything.

That's the first true thing you've said. But it's not true in the way you think it is.

Why's that?

(December 24, 2013 at 2:45 am)savedwheat Wrote: That which does not exist can't cause anything.

Cop out.

At least put your back into it, wheat. You're just contradicting yourself over and over now.

How can something outside of time and space also cause things to happen inside time and space, and how do you know either way?

Oh, also, don't suppose you've got a biblical reference that shows how you're right do you?

Not knowing how God does it doesn't detract from the proof He did it.