(January 11, 2014 at 10:55 pm)Lek Wrote:

(January 11, 2014 at 10:42 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Why is your god so bloodthirsty that he demands a blood sacrifice as atonement? Is he powerless to make it otherwise?

Bloodthirsty? I don't know the mind of God, but when Adam sinned, and we also sin, the penalty of that sin is death. Before Adam sinned he wasn't subject to death. An offense against God is more serious than a sin against a person. That's why Jesus' sacrifice was so significant. He made the ultimate sacrifice for everyone who has or will live. He didn't have to. It was his choice.

Nice non-answer.

The penalty of sin is death? Bloodthirsty. This is the best justice your almighty could come up with? Not only is your god bloodthirsty, he's apparently fucking incompetent as well.

I will not see evil and injustice and call it just and good.

Your mileage may vary.

(January 11, 2014 at 9:56 pm)Lek Wrote:

(January 11, 2014 at 9:39 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: Yes you can.

Ok. Go ahead and give me the proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%8...experiment

Quote:After Miller's death in 2007, scientists examining sealed vials preserved from the original experiments were able to show that there were actually well over 20 different amino acids produced in Miller's original experiments. That is considerably more than what Miller originally reported, and more than the 20 that naturally occur in life.

http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/sc...st20jun_1/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

That took me like 5 minutes, with Google. Go figure.

(January 11, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Sejanus Wrote:

(January 11, 2014 at 9:56 pm)Lek Wrote: Ok. Go ahead and give me the proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%8...experiment

Quote:After Miller's death in 2007, scientists examining sealed vials preserved from the original experiments were able to show that there were actually well over 20 different amino acids produced in Miller's original experiments. That is considerably more than what Miller originally reported, and more than the 20 that naturally occur in life.

http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/sc...st20jun_1/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

That took me like 5 minutes, with Google. Go figure.

This presentation ends with a hypothisis not proof. Amino acids don't constitute a living being. Are there any reputable scientists that claim this to be proof of life originating from inanimate materials?

(January 11, 2014 at 11:20 pm)Lek Wrote: This presentation ends with a hypothisis not proof. Amino acids don't constitute a living being. Are there any reputable scientists that claim this to be proof of life originating from inanimate materials?

Now I know you're a troll. Have fun talking to yourself.

(January 11, 2014 at 11:30 pm)Sejanus Wrote:

(January 11, 2014 at 11:20 pm)Lek Wrote: This presentation ends with a hypothisis not proof. Amino acids don't constitute a living being. Are there any reputable scientists that claim this to be proof of life originating from inanimate materials?

Now I know you're a troll. Have fun talking to yourself.

I don't know what a troll is, but nice talking to you.

(January 11, 2014 at 11:57 pm)Lek Wrote:

(January 11, 2014 at 11:30 pm)Sejanus Wrote: Now I know you're a troll. Have fun talking to yourself.

I don't know what a troll is, but nice talking to you.

(January 11, 2014 at 12:19 pm)truthBtold Wrote:

(January 11, 2014 at 12:14 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote: it really stresses me out when i ask a xian about something and i ask them where they heard about it... their answer is "my pastor told me"... and i try to make them understand why they shouldnt but no, they trust their pastor so much that they will put blind faith before their own mind to figure things out for themselves...

Go ahead xr34p3rx say it!!! "Go read a book"!! Ha!! I love saying that!!

My pleasure, GO TREAD A FUCKING BOOK!

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(January 11, 2014 at 2:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(January 11, 2014 at 12:14 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote: it really stresses me out when i ask a xian about something and i ask them where they heard about it... their answer is "my pastor told me"... and i try to make them understand why they shouldnt but no, they trust their pastor so much that they will put blind faith before their own mind to figure things out for themselves...

It really isn't their fault. For centuries the church told them "don't even read that stupid fucking book...listen to us."

You know, with sheep the lesson sinks in.

Yes it feeds their arrogance of "oh. I don't need to read such things". Pathetic

(January 11, 2014 at 11:20 pm)Lek Wrote: This presentation ends with a hypothisis not proof. Amino acids don't constitute a living being. Are there any reputable scientists that claim this to be proof of life originating from inanimate materials?

Given that the "hypothesis" was backed up by experimental data, it's rather more than just a hypothesis now.

Since you're so ill educated on science that you don't even know that, going into the reasons why this is literally one hundred percent more scientific proof than there is for your god would just be a waste of time.

We have this, and some other experiments. What the fuck do you have to support the existence of your god? Nothing.

Right about now he's getting ready to trot his fucking bible out as "evidence."

We know how their minds work.

Gentlemen please. We're going far afield and turning this into straight out abuse. I don't think Lek is trolling in the least.

(January 11, 2014 at 10:55 pm)Lek Wrote:

(January 11, 2014 at 10:42 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Why is your god so bloodthirsty that he demands a blood sacrifice as atonement? Is he powerless to make it otherwise?

Bloodthirsty? I don't know the mind of God, but when Adam sinned, and we also sin, the penalty of that sin is death. Before Adam sinned he wasn't subject to death. An offense against God is more serious than a sin against a person. That's why Jesus' sacrifice was so significant. He made the ultimate sacrifice for everyone who has or will live. He didn't have to. It was his choice.

Hi Lek.

If I may. I'm coming at this from a (broadly) Christian perspective and I still have a problem with it. Perhaps you can help me.

1. An offense against God is more serious than one against people is a concept I understand. However I see little consistency. Many of God's prophets were abused and attacked (as you said) but only occasionally is retribution forthcoming. Why was a bit of mockery of the prophets baldness deserving of such punishment. Bear in in mind that if they'd just seen him walking up the road then they had no way to know that he even was a prophet.

2. The God I know, from the NT is as you say a merciful God. Do you have any trouble reconciling the God who deals so fairly with the woman at the well and who asks God to forgive the soldiers who nailed the son of God himself to a cross, with the one who kills 42 youths for making a crack about somebody being bald. Does it seem consistent to you?