(February 15, 2014 at 4:04 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: One of the most common fears I see Christians like fraudo express towards atheism is that, if given the chance, we'll treat them ad horribly as they have treated everybody else for 2,000 years (and still do today, whenever they can get away with it). This fear is fueled by the same conceit that produces arguments like "atheism is a religion" and "atheists just hate God": the amazing conceit that psychopathic and misanthropic Christian beliefs and thinking are default settings for humanity.

They might actually be the default settings, based on what we see in the animal kingdom, and based on what we see throughout human history. Humans have a propensity towards selfish and violent behavior that we have been slowly working to overcome. I think it's a strong bit of evidence against religion that instead of blunting that urge, it simply gave it a different outlet that allowed people to commit even more savagery against one another by providing them with the most convenient excuse ever: a powerful deity who was above petty human morals had commanded them to act, on pain of death and/or suffering if they did not.

(February 17, 2014 at 10:14 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(February 17, 2014 at 10:03 am)Mondrian Wrote: Look guys, this is 2014 not 1714.

There isn't really that much of a difference you're only covering the modern era.

Quote:Religion is just a hang over from the old days when man lived in caves and hadn't yet invented science.

What does science explain (not speculations but fact) that the God of the Bible explained? Even if you want to say evolution you'll note that God doesn't make any of the plants and animals individually in Genesis he commands the Earth to produce these living forms within itself which is compatible with evolution.

Quote: Gods were just a means of explaining what Man didn't understand.

Exactly and the Bible rejected all of those gods.

Ahh, the ramblings of a brain-washed and delusional mind.

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(February 17, 2014 at 10:51 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(February 17, 2014 at 10:48 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Nope, definitely a shit

That's just the shit the diamond is covered with. Jesus is the diamond at the heart of it he's at the heart of the Old Testament as well.

Nope, you tit. Learn to read.

The babble and religion are pieces of shit covered with diamonds (for the witless, gullible and unintelligent).

That's the problems with idiots and the unintelligent like you. You are so stupid, you don't have the capacity to understand just how stupid you really are.

The things people believe in!...
And they can't bear the thought that they just might be wrong in that belief... no, they just dig deeper and deeper until there's no getting out.
Sword here is a great example of such digging. Also known as self-delusion.
And I highly doubt that the god he currently believes in is not the one he grew up to believe... the one he was indoctrinated in...
Others are indoctrinated in other gods... they also evaluate competing religious texts and remain firm in their beliefs.

Both get there by rationalizing their beliefs to the point where theirs are the only possible correct ones.

So, if 'A' is completely correct AND 'B' is also completely correct, but 'A' and 'B' are mutually exclusive, then which one is actually correct?
How to tell?
Trust the proponents of each religious view?.... doesn't seem to be free from psychological biases and other fallacies.
Trust some unbiased point of view?... How to get such a POV? Obtain some sort of consensus by people who have no vested interest in the subject, perhaps?
People who have managed not to get indoctrinated? that's difficult to find. But we can have people who do their best to keep their preconceptions locked up and come to the most honest conclusions they can.... and then let them reach a consensus.
Sort of like... science, no?
So, science has come up with zero evidence for any divine entity, thus far...
How much longer must we keep looking, until humanity gives up on this useless notion of an after-life?

(February 17, 2014 at 10:14 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Exactly and the Bible rejected all of those gods.

Yes, the bible rejected those gods. But the bible also seemed to imply that there really are other gods.

Exodus 23:13 ESV / 27 helpful votes

“Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips.

Deuteronomy 6:14 ESV / 23 helpful votes

You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you—


Joshua 24:2 ESV / 12 helpful votes

And Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Long ago, your fathers lived beyond the Euphrates, Terah, the father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods.


Deuteronomy 28:14 ESV / 11 helpful votes

And if you do not turn aside from any of the words that I command you today, to the right hand or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.


Exodus 15:11 ESV / 6 helpful votes

“Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?


Exodus 12:12 ESV / 5 helpful votes

For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the Lord.

No of course the bible contradicts itself on this, as it does on pretty much everything, saying in other verses there are no other gods.

This is why there are so many different cults of Christianity.

Man has created ballet, opera, classical music, bridge, chess, art and science. Then man creates god and religion. I despair. Still, god and religion gives the fcuckwits and dolts something to talk about.

I wish they'd shut up.

(February 17, 2014 at 11:16 am)Mondrian Wrote: Ahh, the ramblings of a brain-washed and delusional mind.

How do you know you don't have the delusional brainwashed mind? I choose to believe in God based on evidences and convincing arguments put forward and I accept that I could be mistaken hence why it's a faith. No-one who is brainwashed or delusional could say this they wouldn't really know why they believe what they believe they will just "think it's true because it is" which is what most atheists do when they demand burdens of proof.

Quote:Nope, you tit. Learn to read.

I can read just fine and name calling isn't going to win you points in your favour you know.

Quote:The babble and religion are pieces of shit covered with diamonds (for the witless, gullible and unintelligent).

That's your opinion but clearly your opinion is wrong if Jesus Christ and his message are at the heart of the Christian faith and Jesus is the same thing according to Christianity as the long prophesied Jewish Messiah from the Old Testament. The Old Testament is centred upon the Messiah so clearly Jesus from the Christian perspective is the heart of the Bible New Testament and Old Testament. You can pick out passages Christians have issues with from the beginning anyway all you like but I'm pointing out how you are factually wrong. You have thew diamond and there's some shit on there. You can wash away the shit and the diamond polishes up just fine.

Quote:That's the problems with idiots and the unintelligent like you. You are so stupid, you don't have the capacity to understand just how stupid you really are.

Ad Hominem attacks will get you nowhere and will serve to demonstrate the vacuousness of your position and claims.

(February 17, 2014 at 12:11 pm)Mondrian Wrote: Man has created ballet, opera, classical music, bridge, chess, art and science. Then man creates god and religion. I despair. Still, god and religion gives the fcuckwits and dolts something to talk about.

I seriously doubt that any person ever thought up religion in the same way as someone created an art form. God/gods is something which human minds have created everywhere for as long as anyone can discover. It seems to be more like an archeological feature of human minds and consciousness. It should be possible to reject it without under estimating or misrepresenting what it is.

(February 17, 2014 at 12:15 pm)whateverist Wrote: I seriously doubt that any person ever thought up religion in the same way as someone created an art form. God/gods is something which human minds have created everywhere for as long as anyone can discover. It seems to be more like an archeological feature of human minds and consciousness. It should be possible to reject it without under estimating or misrepresenting what it is.

The gods man created all looked like man and they all explained natural phenomenon of some kind. God doesn't look like anything at all and he is the reason why all the natural processes exist to begin with not an explanation for them. So you can see the clear difference between gods of the pagan religion and God from the Biblical perspective. To compare Thor or Zeus to God is a strawman fallacy.

(February 17, 2014 at 12:06 pm)Rahul Wrote: This is why there are so many different cults of Christianity.

Oh, CULTS, I thought you wrote something else.....