(February 27, 2014 at 3:17 am)DarkHorse Wrote: I just don't see the point. Christianity is really pissing me off. I can see the shit it's making someone I love go through. Heartache and guilt that's not necessary. Glad I broke free, but unfortunately it's still holding a lot of others hostage.

Biblical Christianity is not about heart ache or guilt.

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(February 27, 2014 at 5:47 am)FreeTony Wrote:

(February 27, 2014 at 12:28 am)Drich Wrote: You don't seem to understand Christianity very well if this is what you truly think.

I read so many people saying that forcing themselves to believe because they are fearful of hell is making them depressed. Maybe their version of Christianity is different to yours, or perhaps they don't have the ability to just accept that everything that their particular church tells them is true.

From a Christian source* : 70% of pastors are fighting depression and 1,500 pastors walk away from ministry every month because of moral failure, burnout, conflict, discouragement or depression.

I'd expect if there was a God and he wanted pastors to spread his word he'd help them a bit, not make them miserable.

*http://www.christianpost.com/news/falwell-measurements-of-success-in-ministry-are-messed-up-45219/ I've no idea of the validity

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Maybe Christianity is not a charm one can use to ward of the hard times of life.

Maybe the hard times life has to offer is what God uses to fortify His people His pastors and His Church.

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(February 27, 2014 at 5:47 am)FreeTony Wrote:

(February 27, 2014 at 12:28 am)Drich Wrote: You don't seem to understand Christianity very well if this is what you truly think.

I read so many people saying that forcing themselves to believe because they are fearful of hell is making them depressed. Maybe their version of Christianity is different to yours, or perhaps they don't have the ability to just accept that everything that their particular church tells them is true.

From a Christian source* : 70% of pastors are fighting depression and 1,500 pastors walk away from ministry every month because of moral failure, burnout, conflict, discouragement or depression.

I'd expect if there was a God and he wanted pastors to spread his word he'd help them a bit, not make them miserable.

*http://www.christianpost.com/news/falwell-measurements-of-success-in-ministry-are-messed-up-45219/ I've no idea of the validity

What happened to the other questions you were going to ask... Are you afraid you might get them answered?

Why are we expected to treat our family members better than God treats us? Why are we expected to be more forgiving of their transgressions, more sympathetic to their problems, more accommodating to their needs, and less conditional about our love for them?

(March 1, 2014 at 2:53 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Why are we expected to treat our family members better than God treats us?

So you have been given proof of God, and you want to be treated better? How does God treat you badly?
In my situation I could not treat my family better than God treats me.

Quote:Why are we expected to be more forgiving of their transgressions, more sympathetic to their problems, more accommodating to their needs, and less conditional about our love for them?

We are only to be as forgiving as we want God to forgive us.

(February 24, 2014 at 12:07 pm)FreeTony Wrote:

(February 24, 2014 at 11:38 am)Chad32 Wrote: 1. You're supposed to put everything in Yahweh's hands, including when you die.

That is certainly the Muslim approach. Speaking to some guys working out in Muslim countries, the Muslims really do believe this. There is no need for health and safety at all as it's all up to Allah so why bother.

Isn't that's what the 23 Psalm is all about?

(February 27, 2014 at 12:28 am)Drich Wrote: From Satan's pov Heaven is eternal Slavery to a God he hates. Hell as bad as it is, represents freedom from God and all He has created.

That proves heaven isn't this perfect blissful place that you Christians portray it to be.

If it was all that wonderful Satan wouldn't have ever had any animosity towards god.

If sin wasn't attractive none of us would be doing it. Much like smoking tobacco.

(March 1, 2014 at 2:59 am)Drich Wrote: So you have been given proof of God, and you want to be treated better? How does God treat you badly?
In my situation I could not treat my family better than God treats me.

If you actually treated your family members with the same abuse and neglect that God heaps upon humanity, you would be on death row. States without it would make exceptions for you.

Quote:We are only to be as forgiving as we want God to forgive us.

What strings do you attach to your forgiveness? Is being the bigger man and forgiving without conditions or some other kind of tradeoff beyond God's capabilities? That's pretty pathetic, because I've done it quite a few times.

(March 1, 2014 at 3:24 am)fr0d0 Wrote: If sin wasn't attractive none of us would be doing it. Much like smoking tobacco.

So I would be in heaven thinking about screwing some whore or smoking weed?

(March 1, 2014 at 3:52 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: If you actually treated your family members with the same abuse and neglect that God heaps upon humanity, you would be on death row. States without it would make exceptions for you.

But that's just it. Not all of humanity are The children of God. Christ likened us 'Christians' to a field of wheat, and everyone else as 'weeds' the field owner's enemy planted. God offers boundless love to His children. How is this any different than what we do? If a neighbors kids harassed and beat your children would you love those kids as your own? Why would God?

Quote:What strings do you attach to your forgiveness? Is being the bigger man and forgiving without conditions or some other kind of tradeoff beyond God's capabilities? That's pretty pathetic, because I've done it quite a few times.

But you haven't have you? You have forgiven one or two instances. Sin (any sin) to God is like the betrayal of adultery to us. If each sin is like your wife cheating one you how many times would you think you could simply look the other way?

Yet God through Christ has done this for us.[/quote]

(March 1, 2014 at 5:16 pm)Drich Wrote: But that's just it. Not all of humanity are The children of God. Christ likened us 'Christians' to a field of wheat, and everyone else as 'weeds' the field owner's enemy planted. God offers boundless love to His children. How is this any different than what we do? If a neighbors kids harassed and beat your children would you love those kids as your own? Why would God?

I think it's more like having 10 kids. You tell your kids that they must worship you and do everything you say their entire lives.

The ones that do, you love. The ones that don't, you toss gasoline all over them and burn them alive.

Yeah.

Yeah, that sounds more accurate.