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Join the Dark Side, Obi Wan is no hero.
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Join the Dark Side, Obi Wan is no hero.
Yes it is just a movie, so read this with a grain of salt.

There isn't much that has changed in pop culture. I may catch some flack for the following, but I have had a change of position on the original Star Wars series. Of course it is the old standard of "Good vs Evil". And yes kind motifs of being there for your friends, loyalty and standing up to the bully. However, it still reflects the popularity of religion, even if fiction.

In one scene Luke is practicing his light saber skills on the Falcon, Han makes rightful skeptic remarks to the idea of religion. Obe Wan tells him to "trust his feelings", then puts on the blast shield and successfully while blind, defends himself from the mechanical training ball. I really hate this constant marketing in all media of playing off of people's feelings.

In real training, such as the Hudson river landing, it wasn't "feelings" that got that plane down safely, but training, and even mechanical redundancy that pilots are trained in pre flight simulators to simulate such events prior to the reality of one actually happening.

But, the most insidious meme in "Return of the Jedi", smacks of similarities of Saul, being a former monster whom becomes good and forgiven and becomes Paul. Darth Vadar from the first movie, is a dictator, genocidal and even kills those who fail him, not once, but several times. In the final minutes in the last battle between Luke and Darth Vader, Darth realizes his mistake and turns on his own evil master and kills him to save Luke. Luke then tries to save him. Sounds nice.

It is one thing to realize you have hurt others. It is another to let your brains fall out and forgive a monster. This move reflects the same horrible logic of the god/s of Abraham. But Brian, it is just fiction. I will still give it credit for it's time being a visual masterpiece, well acted, and brilliant music score. But I cannot bring myself to value the same old crap of distorting human morality to comic book levels. I cannot value a meme that teaches us to go with our feelings. The Death Star alone, paints technology as evil, and is so dominating in that series it gets you to forget that the heros are also using technology to defeat them.

No, don't "trust your feelings". It is ok to have them, but we don't need mass media telling us in any form that "feelings" constitute truth. I have come to hate Obi Wan as much as Darth Vadar, just like I hate both God and Satan.
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RE: Join the Dark Side, Obe Wan is no hero.
It's Darth Vader and Obi Wan.. Tongue
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#3
RE: Join the Dark Side, Obe Wan is no hero.
Yes pick on my spelling. Pay me to care and I will. I'll fix it though. I get no red line under misspelled names otherwise I would have.
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RE: Join the Dark Side, Obi Wan is no hero.
It's really strange for a Jedi to tell an apprentice to "trust their feelings" because Jedi believe that emotionality leads to the dark side.
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RE: Join the Dark Side, Obi Wan is no hero.
Like the bible, and reality and pop culture, contradictions abound. Our species has yet to collectively figure out that all this is a crap shoot.
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RE: Join the Dark Side, Obi Wan is no hero.
(March 4, 2014 at 12:23 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: It's really strange for a Jedi to tell an apprentice to "trust their feelings" because Jedi believe that emotionality leads to the dark side.

Only the wrong emotions. No True Jedi™ invests in 'those' emotions.
And we all know Ewan Gordon McGregor is no True Scotsman. Wait, um, never mind.
NOT logic:
1. Claim to have logic
2. Throw a tantrum when asked to present it
3. Claim you've already presented it
4. Repeat step 1

*Rampant.A.I.'s quote
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Re: RE: Join the Dark Side, Obi Wan is no hero.
(March 4, 2014 at 10:08 am)Brian37 Wrote: I have come to hate Obi Wan as much as Darth Vadar, just like I hate both God and Satan.

I don't hate any of them. They aren't real so how can I hate what doesn't exist.
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RE: Join the Dark Side, Obi Wan is no hero.
(March 4, 2014 at 4:35 pm)KUSA Wrote:
(March 4, 2014 at 10:08 am)Brian37 Wrote: I have come to hate Obi Wan as much as Darth Vadar, just like I hate both God and Satan.

I don't hate any of them. They aren't real so how can I hate what doesn't exist.

Seriously? Of course I don't hate them literally. I hate them the same way I hate God and Satan, as ideas, as characters, as motifs.

You think bad ideas in fiction don't lead to bad ideas in reality? Explain L Ron Hubbard and Scientology.

No, I don't hate Obi Wan or Darth Vader as literally being real. I do hate how our media markets simplistic solutions "good vs evil" and sells everything based on our fears and selfishness.

As a historical movie in Hollywood history, as I said, it was put together quite masterfully. But, the motif of "forgiving" a dictator, which Vader was, abhors me.
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RE: Join the Dark Side, Obi Wan is no hero.
(March 4, 2014 at 4:16 pm)eyemixer Wrote:
(March 4, 2014 at 12:23 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: It's really strange for a Jedi to tell an apprentice to "trust their feelings" because Jedi believe that emotionality leads to the dark side.

Only the wrong emotions. No True Jedi™ invests in 'those' emotions.
And we all know Ewan Gordon McGregor is no True Scotsman. Wait, um, never mind.
Really? Because this is the official Jedi code:
Quote:There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no death, there is the Force.
Contrast this to the Sith Code:
Quote:Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
It is the Sith way to embrace one's emotions, and there is no room for that in Jedi philosophy.
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RE: Join the Dark Side, Obi Wan is no hero.
(March 4, 2014 at 4:51 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:
(March 4, 2014 at 4:16 pm)eyemixer Wrote: Only the wrong emotions. No True Jedi™ invests in 'those' emotions.
And we all know Ewan Gordon McGregor is no True Scotsman. Wait, um, never mind.
Really? Because this is the official Jedi code:
Quote:There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no death, there is the Force.
Contrast this to the Sith Code:
Quote:Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
It is the Sith way to embrace one's emotions, and there is no room for that in Jedi philosophy.

Look, skip the claptrap, it is all about the Princes and internet porn.
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