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(March 15, 2014 at 4:09 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(March 15, 2014 at 3:50 pm)discipulus Wrote: That will be for you to decide.

I always know when I've won an exchange with you when you ignore the question and either change the subject or run away to the "well, you and I just see it differently and that is fine" passive-aggressive line of defense.

If you would like to debate me on something that we both can agree on then fine.

As it stands, I do not have the time to go back and forth with you on here.

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(March 15, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Bad Writer Wrote:

(March 15, 2014 at 3:50 pm)discipulus Wrote: So you say.

So Jesus said. This isn't about me.

discipulus Wrote:In the end if metaphysical naturalism is true, you and I cease to exist when we die.

What the fuck are you on about? 'Metaphysical naturalism'? You can't just string words together and expect us to overlook this blatant oxymoron. Nothing about naturalism is metaphysical, as the idea of naturalism claims that all things have a natural explanation, even those things which at first seem to be supernatural or metaphysical (i.e. currently beyond our comprehension).

The concept of death, as far as we know, has no metaphysical qualities. We observe death all the time, and, quite naturally, the deceased remains dead.

discipulus Wrote:If I am right, and you persist in your obstinate refusal to accept Christ, then you will be eternally separated from God (hell).

IF. Bare assertions aren't worth anyone's time. Why don't you stop living on an "if" statement and start investigating reality for once? Lean upon that which can be observed, and you'll learn that my refusal isn't as obstinate as you once thought it was.

discipulus Wrote:The reality will be far worse than what words in a book can convey, literal fire or not.

And you know this...how? Because Jesus said so? So you agree that his concept of an infinite punishment for so finite a crime is moral? That's it's not reprehensible? How can you justify your god's actions? Are you simply scared that he might be right, that if you so much as turn your back for a moment that he'll forsake you and send you to this eternal torment? Is that what this is all about?

Look, I understand if you're scared of hell. Say that, but don't threaten others with your own perceived hellish imaginings. If you want us to take you seriously, the you need to seriously bring some evidence to the table that 1) your god is real 2) there's a heaven and hell 3) there's such a thing as sin 4) Jesus died for said sins 5) his sacrifice saves souls from going to hell. As you can see, starting with the whole Hellfire and Brimstone routine doesn't faze us because you haven't even fulfilled step 1.

Your comment about metaphysical naturalism was all I needed to read....

Do you even know what metaphysical naturalism is?

(March 15, 2014 at 5:13 pm)discipulus Wrote: If you would like to debate me on something that we both can agree on then fine.

If you'll remember, we tried that and you pulled a deceptive bait-and-switch. I will not debate someone so dishonest as yourself.

(March 15, 2014 at 5:13 pm)discipulus Wrote:

(March 15, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: So Jesus said. This isn't about me.


What the fuck are you on about? 'Metaphysical naturalism'? You can't just string words together and expect us to overlook this blatant oxymoron. Nothing about naturalism is metaphysical, as the idea of naturalism claims that all things have a natural explanation, even those things which at first seem to be supernatural or metaphysical (i.e. currently beyond our comprehension).

The concept of death, as far as we know, has no metaphysical qualities. We observe death all the time, and, quite naturally, the deceased remains dead.


IF. Bare assertions aren't worth anyone's time. Why don't you stop living on an "if" statement and start investigating reality for once? Lean upon that which can be observed, and you'll learn that my refusal isn't as obstinate as you once thought it was.


And you know this...how? Because Jesus said so? So you agree that his concept of an infinite punishment for so finite a crime is moral? That's it's not reprehensible? How can you justify your god's actions? Are you simply scared that he might be right, that if you so much as turn your back for a moment that he'll forsake you and send you to this eternal torment? Is that what this is all about?

Look, I understand if you're scared of hell. Say that, but don't threaten others with your own perceived hellish imaginings. If you want us to take you seriously, the you need to seriously bring some evidence to the table that 1) your god is real 2) there's a heaven and hell 3) there's such a thing as sin 4) Jesus died for said sins 5) his sacrifice saves souls from going to hell. As you can see, starting with the whole Hellfire and Brimstone routine doesn't faze us because you haven't even fulfilled step 1.

Your comment about metaphysical naturalism was all I needed to read....

Do you even know what metaphysical naturalism is?

Ah. I didn't. I thought you were making stuff up. I know what naturalism is, and I know what metaphysical meant; stringing the two together seemed odd, but apparently it's a real thing. I'll admit I'm not big on philosophy.

Now that we've got that booger wiped off, can you please stop these evasive tactics and address the other stuff?

(March 15, 2014 at 2:59 pm)discipulus Wrote: Mockery is evil however you justify it.

Well you believe in an absolute morality don't you? So I won't even go there.

Quote:Constructive criticism is often times helpful. But you can criticize someone in a disrespectful manner which is never justifiable.

I call bullshit. Being disrespectful can be funny. It can make a point. It can highlight idiocy. It can deter people from being idiots themselves.

Quote:You seem to be thinking that I am saying we should always respect a person's views. I have never said that we have to always respect a person's views. What I have said is the we are to respect THE PERSON. If in the course of criticizing someone's views you stoop so low as to disrespect the PERSON, you have erred and are not acting in love.

If you qualify calling someone some bad names (as you obviously do considering how much you whine about curse words) as disrespect, then I disagree with you once more.

Believing your Yoda style slippery slope argument would mean everyone who ever called someone else a bad word is an evil, violent person with hatred in their hearts. Get real.

It amazes me that the person who thinks he has a direct line to God thinks everyone else is arrogant.

El oh el.

(March 15, 2014 at 5:42 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(March 15, 2014 at 5:13 pm)discipulus Wrote: If you would like to debate me on something that we both can agree on then fine.

If you'll remember, we tried that and you pulled a deceptive bait-and-switch. I will not debate someone so dishonest as yourself.

Excuses only satisfy those who use them.

When you are ready, I will be waiting.

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(March 15, 2014 at 6:48 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: It amazes me that the person who thinks he has a direct line to God thinks everyone else is arrogant.

El oh el.

Care to debate me?

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(March 15, 2014 at 6:26 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Believing your Yoda style slippery slope argument would mean everyone who ever called someone else a bad word is an evil, violent person with hatred in their hearts. Get real.

According to Christ, even thinking the thought makes you a transgressor.

So yes I am real.

What makes Christ right? (And you still haven't addressed my points above; I suppose I can assume that you never will, right?)

(March 15, 2014 at 7:11 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: What makes Christ right? (And you still haven't addressed my points above; I suppose I can assume that you never will, right?)

If you want to debate me on a particular topic, I would be delighted to. But as far as a back and forth exchange in this sub-forum amidst the chatterings of the peanut gallery, I simply do not have the time to devote.

(March 15, 2014 at 7:07 pm)discipulus Wrote: According to Christ, even thinking the thought makes you a transgressor.

Tell me something.


What do you seriously expect us to say to that?

You know we don't believe in god. You know many of us think the whole jesus story to be complete fiction. Do you ever put yourself in our shoes and read that sentence and seriously imagine what we would say to this? Is it not blindingly obvious, by now, that we don't give a rats fucking arse what christ has to say on any fucking issue.