You don't have a problem with women? Then why do you have a problem with men and women being treated equally?

(March 16, 2014 at 7:29 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: You don't have a problem with women? Then why do you have a problem with men and women being treated equally?

can you answer my question about holy texts or not or are you just going to attaack my position

(March 16, 2014 at 7:27 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 7:25 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Well, extremists exist in all walks of life.

it is the education system that teaches these things can any atheist here provide me with one passage from one holy text that says any body should be equal to anybody else????? why is equality necessary

All "holy texts", like religions, were made by men for the benefit of men. So, of course there's no equality in them.

Is there any reason that, in the 21st century, in a modern society, that all PEOPLE shouldn't be equal, whatever their reproductive organs may be?

(March 16, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 7:27 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: it is the education system that teaches these things can any atheist here provide me with one passage from one holy text that says any body should be equal to anybody else????? why is equality necessary

All "holy texts", like religions, were made by men for the benefit of men. So, of course there's no equality in them.

Is there any reason that, in the 21st century, in a modern society, that all PEOPLE shouldn't be equal, whatever their reproductive organs may be?

so feminism need to exist because theres no better option and we should not explore any other option thus fallacy of ignorance.

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(March 16, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 7:27 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: it is the education system that teaches these things can any atheist here provide me with one passage from one holy text that says any body should be equal to anybody else????? why is equality necessary

All "holy texts", like religions, were made by men for the benefit of men. So, of course there's no equality in them.

Is there any reason that, in the 21st century, in a modern society, that all PEOPLE shouldn't be equal, whatever their reproductive organs may be?

feminism holds the white males are responsible for the opression of gays blacks and minorities. as well as western civilzation. this says thats its a crime that only the white man can attone for thus all opressed people are biologically inferior. this is white supreamacy.

(March 16, 2014 at 7:27 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 7:25 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Well, extremists exist in all walks of life.

it is the education system that teaches these things can any atheist here provide me with one passage from one holy text that says any body should be equal to anybody else????? why is equality necessary

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(March 16, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Beccs Wrote: Yes.

Many things are frequently complained about. Including paying taxes.

And before you cite men having to pay alimony to women, note that there are more and more women paying alimony to men.

Once again I notice you ignore my question.

Now, do so, please, before I finally come to the conclusion that you're simply a little man who complains about the women because you've had a bad experience with women or blame them for your own inadequacies.

can you answer my question because most of what you believe in grounded in it and a fallacy from ignorance will not be accepted. This little man is waiting

Why are you demanding an answer to your question from me when you don't have the courtesy to answer my question, which I've now asked you to do THREE times?

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(March 16, 2014 at 7:32 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Beccs Wrote: All "holy texts", like religions, were made by men for the benefit of men. So, of course there's no equality in them.

Is there any reason that, in the 21st century, in a modern society, that all PEOPLE shouldn't be equal, whatever their reproductive organs may be?

so feminism need to exist because theres no better option and we should not explore any other option thus fallacy of ignorance.

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(March 16, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Beccs Wrote: All "holy texts", like religions, were made by men for the benefit of men. So, of course there's no equality in them.

Is there any reason that, in the 21st century, in a modern society, that all PEOPLE shouldn't be equal, whatever their reproductive organs may be?

feminism holds the white males are responsible for the opression of gays blacks and minorities. as well as western civilzation. this says thats its a crime that only the white man can attone for thus all opressed people are biologically inferior. this is white supreamacy.

Still won't answer my questions but pose bullshit commentary which has no basis in reality.

Yup, definitely a little man here to spout for attention but won't answer the questions put to him.

Bye, little man.

(March 16, 2014 at 7:36 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 7:27 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: it is the education system that teaches these things can any atheist here provide me with one passage from one holy text that says any body should be equal to anybody else????? why is equality necessary

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can you answer my question because most of what you believe in grounded in it and a fallacy from ignorance will not be accepted. This little man is waiting

Why are you demanding an answer to your question from me when you don't have the courtesy to answer my question, which I've now asked you to do THREE times?

Leftists,feminists, and minority activists blame white males and western civilization for the opresssion of women homosexuals and minorities. this is claiming that slavery for example is a crime that only the white man is capable of atoning for. Also to claim that women carry a burden that men do not due to child birth is saying that all of the suffering of blacks, native americans, and hispanics, were caused by men that only white women were capable of producing. Also I would like to point out to all of those advocates of multiculturalism, equal oppurtunity education, and racial intermarridge. simply by standing for these things you are saying that you believe that black culture is inferior and that the white man NEEDED TO ERASE IT AND REPLACE IT WITH CHRISTIANITY because what else would he practice?
do white men or women that marry blacks care about reconstructing traditional african culture? of course on they don't give a damn what they do care about is sending that child off to play sports and attend a good school. Why are these two examples important because 1 in the south blacks were not allowed to read and for awhile after the civil war not allowed to recieve an education. 2. blacks then protested for the right to participate in the same professional sports as whites. So I ask all of the proponets of thisi ideology in what way the preservation or reconstruction of traditional black culture consist if they are being compensated with an education and participation in sports designed by whites ? .Also univsersity texbooks state that islam expanded through trade. Thus, the eu and the us wish to make hispanics and arabs nonviolentr through gun control and government sponsored education assistance. All they care about is making these people into a responsible father, making they climb the corporate ladder ect. do they have any respect for mexican or arab culture. Well I think I just anwsered your question.
women should recieve less pay because it leads to economic instability in the long run

(March 16, 2014 at 7:41 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

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(March 16, 2014 at 7:07 pm)Beccs Wrote: I don't care what men should be concerned about.

That statement seems to contradict this one:

Quote:Everyone in the workplace and university should be treated equally, whatever their gender, beliefs, or sexual orientation.

Which is it? Do you care what men are concerned about or when you say that people should be treated "equally", are you only referring to women? There are plenty of legitimate concerns affecting both men and women in today's world; both should be listened to and cared about.

Quote:Yet to see preferential treatment in the legal system.

Really?

Which of the sexes more often than not, gets custody of the children during a divorce? Judges seem to favour mothers over fathers, often regardless of the circumstances.

When a man is caught sexually abusing someone underage, the man is thought of as a monster (rightly so) and the child as a victim (rightly so). However when a women is caught doing the exact same thing, especially if the victim is a boy, she almost always gets a lesser sentence (sometimes with no jail time) and the victim (again, especially if it is a boy) is considered "lucky" by most of society.

In fact, women tend to get much more lenient sentences than men in the first place.

Quote:Now, why should women in the work place get less pay for the same work, something that is still prevalent in many western countries.

Whilst I agree in principle that women shouldn't get less pay for the same work, there are plenty of other factors at play than it just being "the same work". Location is an obvious thing; janitors in America get paid more than janitors in India, yet they do the "same work". Experience is another; there are plenty of jobs which have people doing the same thing, only the person with more experience and more qualifications is paid more because they are worth more to the company. Due to the way our reproductive systems work, women are more likely to take time out of work than men to have and raise children, effectively meaning that their work experience is lower by the time they decide to start working again (assuming they go back into the same role).

Company loyalty is another factor. Companies tend to pay employees more when they have worked for them longer, irrespective of other factors like their position in the company or their qualifications. I work with a guy who is really clever, he's been doing my job for years and has been with the company for much longer than I have. He doesn't have a degree, whilst I have two. He earns much more than me, despite the fact that in terms of the company structure, we have the same job title and do the same job (we even have the same professional qualifications). Relating this back to women, if a women leaves work to have children, even if she comes back to the same position at the same company, men who are at her level but have worked for the company throughout her absence may have higher salaries because of this.

I'm not saying that gender gaps in wage don't exist, but for the most part, you'll find that there are circumstances not relating to gender at play rather than corporate sexism. Indeed, there are plenty of counter-examples of women earning the same amount or even higher than men doing the same work.

(March 16, 2014 at 7:41 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

it dosent matter what you tell these people they will label you a conspiracy theorist