I invite Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab to present his argument for the existence of god. Go ahead mister!

(March 18, 2014 at 3:08 am)tor Wrote: I present you Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab with his argument for the existence of god. Go ahead mister!

It is not much of an argument, I can literally count the arguments for the existence of god I have had on 1 hand(maybe 2).

The premise is essentially the reverse of the religious ontological argument. God is the label applied to the most inconceivable entity possible. The existence of god is thus semantical and irrelevant at this conclusion because it only provides a label to an idea that cannot be described nor fathomed. In this argument it is possible to say that god does not exist since it's existence is not in any way present in our own. God is purely an idea or product of consciousness in the solipsistic way since without consciousness nothing can perceive god.
As to what you wish to call such an idea or entity is irrelevant as I said before since it is just a label applied to a thought which is a product of perception or the capabilities of our imaginations.

For any further clarification then ask me as I have not exactly concerned myself with constructing organized arguments for the existence of god. So please be aggressive with questions since this is not my usual topic of debate.

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Given this, I'll be closing the thread for now.

Alright, if you've gotten permission from the called-out user I'll re-open things, but other mods, if you feel differently, please swoop in and tell me I'm wrong.

Just deleted this topic and let him make a new one.

(March 18, 2014 at 3:33 am)tor Wrote: Just deleted this topic and let him make a new one.

I think things are cool here. Lets just go ahead and continue, it is 12:49PM where I am at and frankly I have nothing else better to do. I need a good debate so lets continue.

As a great intellectual once said: "Are dem' fightin' words" ~ Yosemite Sam

(March 18, 2014 at 3:18 am)Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab Wrote: The premise is essentially the reverse of the religious ontological argument. God is the label applied to the most inconceivable entity possible. The existence of god is thus semantical and irrelevant at this conclusion because it only provides a label to an idea that cannot be described nor fathomed

I don't understand. I guess that proves it?

(March 18, 2014 at 5:14 am)Alex K Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 3:18 am)Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab Wrote: The premise is essentially the reverse of the religious ontological argument. God is the label applied to the most inconceivable entity possible. The existence of god is thus semantical and irrelevant at this conclusion because it only provides a label to an idea that cannot be described nor fathomed

I don't understand. I guess that proves it?

To be honest I did not realize halfway through that I was arguing over the nature of god. Sorry but the ontological argument is used in both cases by me as I do not take it to a religious level and apply a holy writ to it. Sort of stupid now that I think of it.