but but the Bible says god is moral therefore he's moral so they actually believe they're moral too! They're the shining example OF morality even though they are condoning a hypothetical entire population being wiped off the earth. Or babies being ripped out of their mothers wombs (although I'm pretty sure that happened) in the name of god! Or raped women being forced to marry their rapists. Or gays being condemned to die. Or slavery. Or the majority of their fellow humans going to Hell. All of it is moral because God says it's moral. I don't know why these guys even surprise me anymore but they do. Never fails. What kind of nutcases are you people? I couldn't justify hell any way I looked at it.

Still waiting on that proof of a flood from anyone. Anyone?

(April 6, 2014 at 2:20 pm)Luckie Wrote: Still waiting on that proof of a flood from anyone. Anyone?

Well, in the OP, I mentioned all the things that God would have had to do to get from a flooded planet to where we are today. Given that we don't see any evidence anymore, that's proof that he magiced all the evidence away!

(April 6, 2014 at 2:20 pm)Luckie Wrote: but but the Bible says god is moral therefore he's moral so they actually believe they're moral too! They're the shining example OF morality even though they are condoning a hypothetical entire population being wiped off the earth. Or babies being ripped out of their mothers wombs (although I'm pretty sure that happened) in the name of god! Or raped women being forced to marry their rapists. Or gays being condemned to die. Or slavery. Or the majority of their fellow humans going to Hell. All of it is moral because God says it's moral. I don't know why these guys even surprise me anymore but they do. Never fails. What kind of nutcases are you people? I couldn't justify hell any way I looked at it.

Still waiting on that proof of a flood from anyone. Anyone?

Love the insane bunny clip.

I know right? That bunny never gets old. Maybe I should refine the name of the bunny club to 'the insane bunny club'. Because we are insane after all, to actually want evidence in order to believe that something happened, or that someone or something exists. It must be UTTER MADNESS! to billions of people on earth who believe their houses are haunted by dead people or demons or that invisible forces follow and protect them and rearrange all of existence so they can get that job promotion or find their keys or find twenty bucks on the ground right when they needed twenty bucks!

(April 6, 2014 at 7:41 pm)Luckie Wrote: I know right? That bunny never gets old. Maybe I should refine the name of the bunny club to 'the insane bunny club'. Because we are insane after all, to actually want evidence in order to believe that something happened, or that someone or something exists. It must be UTTER MADNESS! to billions of people on earth who believe their houses are haunted by dead people or demons or that invisible forces follow and protect them and rearrange all of existence so they can get that job promotion or find their keys or find twenty bucks on the ground right when they needed twenty bucks!

The fact that you didn't go with "Insane Bunny Posse " is a missed opportunity.

(April 6, 2014 at 9:07 am)truthBtold Wrote: So now jesus is a door.. its amazing that Christians say what they feel is comfortable "jesus" or god.. jesus is the sun, the moon, a tree...Jesus is my sac, Jesus is the knotted up ass hair on my ass..

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

(April 6, 2014 at 9:23 am)Esquilax Wrote: So what evil thoughts do babies think? I mean, a child isn't even self aware until like two, so your blanket, stupid generalization is just factually wrong to begin with...

Whatever happened to taking the Bible for what it says? It literally says: 'And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.' Your telling me they weren't. Should I take your word for it? Can you read everyone's thoughts?

(April 6, 2014 at 1:45 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: So I take it you don't buy into the "age of accountability" apologetics? Assuming a baby hasn't made a conscious effort to accept Jesus as his/her lord and savior, the baby goes to hell if it dies?

I do believe the Bible speaks of the age of accountability. Prior to the age of accountability or in cases of the mentally handicapped, situations where a person cannot make a profession of faith, Christ's grace covers their sin without a profession. So no, a person before the age of accountability does not go to hell, just the opposite.

(April 6, 2014 at 1:45 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: And even still, you haven't addressed the part of my OP where I asked why God couldn't have had Noah raise the children in a moral fashion. We know that children are impressionable and can be raised in a good or bad way, and it will influence how they turn out.

Are you proposing he kidnap them?

(April 6, 2014 at 1:45 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: If you are going to assert that they are wicked and nothing could be done, then I take it you do not believe in free will?

It is not my assertion to make, I'm simply relaying the message written in the Word. It says what is written. They used their "free will" to use their minds to let "every imagination of the thoughts of their hearts to be only evil continually."

(April 6, 2014 at 1:45 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: Free will is the entire justification for the flood myth. You can't have it both ways. Either:

1) God could have taken steps to make sure the children were saved so they could be raised in a better way (remember, he went out of his way to magically solve all the things I listed in the OP), or

2) The children are incapable of being raised in a moral way and having it work. If that's the case, there is no free will.

There is no magical third option.

The dilemma has been created in your own mind and it is a 'false' one. You believe in magic but not more than two options?

In summation most of the arguments stated here misrepresent what the scriptures say. God judged the earth because the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Somehow that statement in the posters minds becomes: God murders babies. You have created a false image, a straw man, to be precise.

So which is it? God did or didn't kill any babies in the flood?

Tell me something: you believe an invisible man in the sky who can flood the entire planet by willing it to be so. Someone accuses you of presenting a "magical third argument," and your response is to accuse them of believing in magic. Serious question: are you drunk, just getting desperate, or both?

Because a paragraph or so before, you expressed the belief that all babies (and the mentally handicapped) go straight to Heaven being too young to profess their faith in Christ, so God is justified in drowning babies, because by the Grace of Christ, 2300 years before Christ, the drowned babies will float up to heaven?

Come on guys... we all know that, for Christians, the OT doesn't matter.
It's magic all the way, even the foreknowledge that all those babies would turn evil in every divinely foretold scenario.
Also, may the Force be with you.

(April 7, 2014 at 12:23 am)orangebox21 Wrote: Whatever happened to taking the Bible for what it says? It literally says: 'And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.' Your telling me they weren't. Should I take your word for it? Can you read everyone's thoughts?

In summation most of the arguments stated here misrepresent what the scriptures say. God judged the earth because the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Somehow that statement in the posters minds becomes: God murders babies. You have created a false image, a straw man, to be precise.

Orangebox, you are so deep in your delusion. Why should I take anything the bible says to heart? It's a book of fiction with real places scattered about, in order to make it SEEM real to those who are silly enough to buy into it. And the saddest part of all? It seems to make people (christians) come across as idiots and whiny children who can't make logical sense anymore (if they ever could). Just reading xtian posts in this forum since I've joined, I'm embarrassed for you guys.

Oh, and god DOES murder babies. Can't argue your way out of that one. Anyway you look at it, that's whats happening in your book.

As I mentioned before... What kind of sick god must he be, that he knows that the majority of the world is going to hell, yet he STILL goes ahead in a moment of selfishness and creates humans. Sorry, it doesn't sit with a loving, all powerful god. Your facts are ALL wrong, on so many levels. It's terribly sad that you can't see it for what it is. A load of rubbish.

Just to clarify orangebox, we know the flood didn't happen(or most of the other shit in the bible for that matter)
What we're trying work out is how you manage to justify the murderous actions of a genocidal cunt of a god as 'good'.