(April 10, 2014 at 12:58 am)Revelation777 Wrote: eternal foam?

With a certain degree of evidence behind it, which gives it a leg up over "eternal god," for sure.

(April 10, 2014 at 12:49 am)Revelation777 Wrote: where did the foam come from?

Where did the god come from? You have no more answer to the question of origins than anyone else. In fact what you believe is divorced from everything we have good reason to believe. But you believe it fervently .. as if that were any recommendation for anyone else believing it. Like so many of the worst kind of xtians you lack all humility. You esteem your own unjustified impressions and opinions above those of everyone else. You ask us to put aside what we know and join you in feebly believing utter bullshit. No thanks asshole.

(April 10, 2014 at 12:53 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(April 10, 2014 at 12:49 am)Revelation777 Wrote: where did the foam come from?

Ain't you been listening? It comes from nothing!

Don't pretend like you've got some step up on us, by the way; you believe something comes from nothing too, you've just twisted the language, called it eternal as though that makes it better. Well, the foam is eternal too, so... whatever.

why didn't you post this a long time ago? it's the foam, of course. it was right in front of us and we didn't see it but you could have at least given hints along the way.

(April 10, 2014 at 2:16 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(April 10, 2014 at 12:53 am)Esquilax Wrote: Ain't you been listening? It comes from nothing!

Don't pretend like you've got some step up on us, by the way; you believe something comes from nothing too, you've just twisted the language, called it eternal as though that makes it better. Well, the foam is eternal too, so... whatever.

why didn't you post this a long time ago? it's the foam, of course. it was right in front of us and we didn't see it but you could have at least given hints along the way.

You can belittle scientific hypothetical possibilities all you like, but it doesn't make your unsupportable beliefs any more plausible.

(April 10, 2014 at 2:16 am)snowtracks Wrote: why didn't you post this a long time ago? it's the foam, of course. it was right in front of us and we didn't see it but you could have at least given hints along the way.

"My incredulity is all that matters, because my experience is the only thing in the world and if I can't believe it happened, it clearly didn't!"

(April 10, 2014 at 2:16 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(April 10, 2014 at 12:53 am)Esquilax Wrote: Ain't you been listening? It comes from nothing!

Don't pretend like you've got some step up on us, by the way; you believe something comes from nothing too, you've just twisted the language, called it eternal as though that makes it better. Well, the foam is eternal too, so... whatever.

why didn't you post this a long time ago? it's the foam, of course. it was right in front of us and we didn't see it but you could have at least given hints along the way.

Yeah ST, your credibility on the forum (and internationally as the scientific genius you are) certainly warrants an undue level of sarcasm directed at things you don't understand,

(April 10, 2014 at 12:49 am)Revelation777 Wrote: where did the foam come from?

The quantum foam, as I understand it, is a property of space-time.
At the singularity, the space-time which comprises our Universe was compressed in it and, has since, expanded.
We don't know if there is space-time beyond the space-time that was included in the singularity that expanded into the universe as we know it.

If there is, then it is reasonable that the singularity that expanded into our universe came into being through some quantum-foam phenomenon which yielded more particles than average.
It could then also be that space-time itself (the one beyond our universe) is infinite. If it is infinite, then such phenomenon which yields such singularities could happen elsewhere, thus giving rise to other universes, not necessarily as large or as small as our own. Actually, if space-time is infinite, then there would be infinite universes.

Or not.... all this is based on an IF which is, at least currently, beyond our ability to measure and determine it.

If there is nothing beyond the singularity that expanded into our universe, then I've got nothing... and nothing then is what any god is.

(April 10, 2014 at 12:49 am)Revelation777 Wrote: where did the foam come from?

From the drooling mouths of fundy creationists who can't see the real world for the book of fairytales in front of their faces.

(April 10, 2014 at 12:58 am)Revelation777 Wrote:

(April 10, 2014 at 12:53 am)Esquilax Wrote: Ain't you been listening? It comes from nothing!

Don't pretend like you've got some step up on us, by the way; you believe something comes from nothing too, you've just twisted the language, called it eternal as though that makes it better. Well, the foam is eternal too, so... whatever.

eternal foam?

I think it's interesting how close to some defintiions of God quantum foam can come to. Pretty much all the qualifications that don't involve being a person.

(April 10, 2014 at 12:49 am)Revelation777 Wrote: where did the foam come from?

Please note that for any item other than god --the most complex of all possible items-- the question "where did it come from" seems natural to you to ask.

Rocks and space debris? Nonsense to even suggest that it was always there. Indescribably advanced super-being with enough energy to fuel the cosmos? Perfectly reasonable to assume that he was always there.