(April 11, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

Easier than typing out a thousand words and far more evocative.

Post this same item in Iran, northern Africa, China or North Korea and see if it has the same effect.

(April 14, 2014 at 9:52 pm)Lek Wrote:

(April 11, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

Easier than typing out a thousand words and far more evocative.

Post this same item in Iran, northern Africa, China or North Korea and see if it has the same effect.

But many Christians in western nations scream "persecution" when you question their beliefs or stop them pushing their religions illegally in schools.

Perhaps those Christians should look at the circumstances of their fellows in those countries you mention before they start whining.

(April 14, 2014 at 9:59 pm)Beccs Wrote: But many Christians in western nations scream "persecution" when you question their beliefs or stop them pushing their religions illegally in schools.

Perhaps those Christians should look at the circumstances of their fellows in those countries you mention before they start whining.

Everyone screams persecution these days: women, gays, lesbians, blacks, hispanics, muslims. Christians may as well get in on it too.

The point is that xtians are full of shit when they do it.

Your ability to shove your beliefs down my throat is not protected activity and you don't get to claim that I'm persecuting YOU when I tell you to shut the fuck up.

(April 14, 2014 at 10:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The point is that xtians are full of shit when they do it.

Your ability to shove your beliefs down my throat is not protected activity and you don't get to claim that I'm persecuting YOU when I tell you to shut the fuck up.

I gotta say. You have a very direct way of stating your opinions.

(April 14, 2014 at 10:06 pm)Lek Wrote:

(April 14, 2014 at 9:59 pm)Beccs Wrote: But many Christians in western nations scream "persecution" when you question their beliefs or stop them pushing their religions illegally in schools.

Perhaps those Christians should look at the circumstances of their fellows in those countries you mention before they start whining.

Everyone screams persecution these days: women, gays, lesbians, blacks, hispanics, muslims. Christians may as well get in on it too.

So you're not saying my statement is wrong, you're stating a case of 'everyone else is, why not us?"

BTW: some of those groups you mention have legitimate reasons to have gripes with society, though few openly scream persecution.

And some Muslims will just riot.

(April 14, 2014 at 10:35 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(April 14, 2014 at 10:06 pm)Lek Wrote:

(April 14, 2014 at 9:59 pm)Beccs Wrote: But many Christians in western nations scream "persecution" when you question their beliefs or stop them pushing their religions illegally in schools.

Perhaps those Christians should look at the circumstances of their fellows in those countries you mention before they start whining.

Everyone screams persecution these days: women, gays, lesbians, blacks, hispanics, muslims. Christians may as well get in on it too.

So you're not saying my statement is wrong, you're stating a case of 'everyone else is, why not us?"

BTW: some of those groups you mention have legitimate reasons to have gripes with society, though few openly scream persecution.

And some Muslims will just riot.

I don't think there is any institutionalized persecution in the US, but there is a strong move on to put christianity down. It's probably coming mostly from Hollywood, which has enormous power to influence public perception. Of course institutionalized christianity has persecuted various groups over history too, but none of it is right.

(April 14, 2014 at 10:53 pm)Lek Wrote:

(April 14, 2014 at 10:35 pm)Beccs Wrote:

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(April 14, 2014 at 10:06 pm)Lek Wrote:

(April 14, 2014 at 9:59 pm)Beccs Wrote: But many Christians in western nations scream "persecution" when you question their beliefs or stop them pushing their religions illegally in schools.

Perhaps those Christians should look at the circumstances of their fellows in those countries you mention before they start whining.

Everyone screams persecution these days: women, gays, lesbians, blacks, hispanics, muslims. Christians may as well get in on it too.

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So you're not saying my statement is wrong, you're stating a case of 'everyone else is, why not us?"

BTW: some of those groups you mention have legitimate reasons to have gripes with society, though few openly scream persecution.

And some Muslims will just riot.

I don't think there is any institutionalized persecution in the US, but there is a strong move on to put christianity down. It's probably coming mostly from Hollywood, which has enormous power to influence public perception. Of course institutionalized christianity has persecuted various groups over history too, but none of it is right.

I agree. There's no excuse in the 21st century to persecute or deny rights to any group.

(April 14, 2014 at 10:19 pm)Lek Wrote:

(April 14, 2014 at 10:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The point is that xtians are full of shit when they do it.

Your ability to shove your beliefs down my throat is not protected activity and you don't get to claim that I'm persecuting YOU when I tell you to shut the fuck up.

I gotta say. You have a very direct way of stating your opinions.

It is not my job to make you feel good about being a superstitious twit. You can get that from your fellows.

(April 14, 2014 at 9:52 pm)Lek Wrote:

(April 11, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

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Easier than typing out a thousand words and far more evocative.

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Post this same item in Iran, northern Africa, China or North Korea and see if it has the same effect.

Um - okay.

Are you seriously suggesting that the opulence and privileged status of the xtian churches in Western societies somehow equates to the treatment of minority groups in oppressive regimes - not just xtians, either?

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(April 14, 2014 at 10:06 pm)Lek Wrote: Everyone screams persecution these days: women, gays, lesbians, blacks, hispanics, muslims. Christians may as well get in on it too.

Your tu quoque is showing.