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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 9:18 pm
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Wait a second...
If something was impossible, then nothing could have caused it, not even an intelligence.
But if something was possible, then you can apply the anthropic principle.
And isn't it kind of funny that all the good arguments for theism revolve around the appearance of life?
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 10:27 pm
(April 21, 2014 at 5:55 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm actually going somewhere with this.
I repeat: can inert matter, by itself, produce life?
Yes, God took dirt and made man.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 10:32 pm
(April 22, 2014 at 10:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (April 21, 2014 at 5:55 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm actually going somewhere with this.
I repeat: can inert matter, by itself, produce life?
Yes, God took dirt and made man.
And you believe that, based on a weight of evidence far lacking on that which we can deliver.
Selection bias. It's a remarkable thing to observe. Sad, but remarkable.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 10:32 pm
(April 21, 2014 at 6:06 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Deists assume a nebular god. Theists assume a specific God, and atheists are content to say "we don't know, but it seems like we have a pretty good idea."
Both of the former are simply afraid of the dark.
That sounds more like what an agnostic would say. Listen, we refer to a God that is not just floating mysteriously in space. He has revealed Himself to mankind through His Son.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 10:35 pm
(April 22, 2014 at 10:32 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Listen, we refer to a God that is not just floating mysteriously in space. He has revealed Himself to mankind through His Son.
Given that you can't prove even an iota of that claim, then I'd say "floating in space" is a safer bet.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 10:37 pm
(April 22, 2014 at 10:35 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (April 22, 2014 at 10:32 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Listen, we refer to a God that is not just floating mysteriously in space. He has revealed Himself to mankind through His Son.
Given that you can't prove even an iota of that claim, then I'd say "floating in space" is a safer bet.
More like lost in space.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 10:40 pm
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(April 22, 2014 at 10:32 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (April 21, 2014 at 6:06 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Deists assume a nebular god. Theists assume a specific God, and atheists are content to say "we don't know, but it seems like we have a pretty good idea."
Both of the former are simply afraid of the dark.
That sounds more like what an agnostic would say. Listen, we refer to a God that is not just floating mysteriously in space. He has revealed Himself to mankind through His Son.
Now let's say, hypothetically, for some reason, you were exposed to all this, but it really is not true, and were all made up to exploit your psychological weakness and deceive the likes of you.
In such a hypothetical scenario, how would YOU, from this moment, go about so you can discover whether all this is a lie?
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 10:47 pm
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(April 21, 2014 at 6:48 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (April 21, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: drawings of foot bones and sketches are unconvincing to me
3 points I addressed.... you decided to speak of one of them.... and in a very rude and crude manner... not to say something "minimalist-like".
In the 2 lines preceding the "drawings and sketches", what did I write?
Care to tell me?
What was the very relevant piece of information I relayed to you by the form of writing on an online forum?
Did you understand it?
Clearly not, or else you wouldn't have taken the time to write that turd I'm quoting above!
Were you perhaps expecting me to send you, via this very online forum, the actual fossils, the millions of fossils from thousands and thousands of different locations, depths and plant and animal species??
And did you expect to understand from what sort of plant or animal that ancient fossil came from?
Can you even grasp the number of different fields of knowledge and science that are required to identify one fossil?
Let go of your lying and conning sites and learn from the people who actually work in the fields of science you are trying to address.
Do you know what a fossil is?
I looked it up on the net and read about it. The lack of fossil evidence doesn't defend your position. Also, a discovery of a tooth or part of a jawbone doesn't give the greatest scholar the right to draw a detailed animal that suits their theories.
(April 21, 2014 at 6:05 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (April 21, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: drawings of foot bones and sketches are unconvincing to me
In other words, you aren't familiar enough yourself with the concepts involved to properly evaluate the evidence yourself, so you reject it for not fitting your untrained expectations.
(April 21, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I respectfully disagree, if you lived back in the Garden my money would be you would of been in complete awe and wonderment.
Speaking for myself, I'm in complete awe and wonderment right now. What does that have to do with the topic?
(April 21, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Actually evolution would expect creatures over time transitioning into a trilobyte, instead, we just find trilobytes...sounds like Creation to me.
Due to the haphazard nature of fossilization, we don't expect to find complete lineages of most species, so it's not unexpected that some would appear in the fossil record whose direct ancestors weren't preserved. If Creation were true, we wouldn't expect to find organisms that were extinct before humans showed up, and we wouldn't expect to find any transitional fossils at all, because Creation excludes the possibility of transitional organisms entirely.
Either that or it requires evolution at a pace that no organism can manage (all extant cat species having evolved from one proto-cat-kind in the last several thousand years, for instance).
(April 21, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Then everyone should of evolved into the strongest, most rugged, smartest, creature imaginable. The rabbit must not of got the memo.
Evolution doesn't have an arrow. It always has to make do with what it's got to work with, and the only criteria it has is reproductive success. Rabbits are VERY successful, evolutionarily speaking. That is how badly you misunderstand what the theory actually says.
You make it sound like "evolution" is some sort of intelligence. "it has to make do" and "its got to work with." Does evolution have a plan and a will? Sounds like evolution has some qualities of a Creator?
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 10:52 pm
'Looked it up on the net'
Well you really pulled out all the stops trying your best to understand it.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 10:55 pm
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(April 21, 2014 at 5:33 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Sounds like someone's been huffing Ken Ham's fumes to me.
I have a lot of respect for the man. I believe he did a great job debating Bill Nye.
(April 21, 2014 at 7:31 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: (April 21, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Then everyone should of evolved into the strongest, most rugged, smartest, creature imaginable. The rabbit must not of got the memo.
Ug. I've started and stopped a reply to this about 10 times now and there's just no way to explain selection pressures to a person who's not interested in learning about them. So I'll resort to childish grammar correction:
(April 21, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Then everyone should have evolved into the strongest, most rugged, smartest, creature imaginable. The rabbit must not have got the memo.
And implore Rev to google "Evolutionary Arms Race," read Richard Dawkins' The Greatest Show on Earth, but because those two suggestions are such hardships, just watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTjkSDaXF7s
Thank you for your reply. I am sorry I do not have the time to watch and hour long video at this time. Perhaps at a latter date.
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