(May 5, 2014 at 7:28 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Faith my dear Watson, Faith.

How would you distinguish faith in something real from faith in the nonexistent?

(May 5, 2014 at 7:33 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(May 5, 2014 at 12:40 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Hundreds of millions of not billions of people grasp it and 'get it' just fine. Some of those people go further and attempt to build on huge theory and disseminate their findings to others. The weight of evidence is astounding, and it gets stronger each and every day as more research is conducted to challenge and advance the theory.

Then we have you, and your argument from ignorance.

Who are people more likely to take notice of?

Many many many reject abiogenesis.

Back to seeking safety and protection behind some improvised phalanx of idiots and ignoramuses, are we? Ouuuu, serried ranks of wishthinkers, gleaming cohorts of scientifically illiterates, fearsome!

(May 5, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Chas Wrote:

(May 5, 2014 at 12:18 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Thank you for your post. I would enjoy a conversation with Sir Francis Collins.

Francis Collins has not been knighted.

ok,,,fair enough.

Quote:Many many many reject abiogenesis.

Again, scientific truths are not determined by a show of hands.

Boru

(May 5, 2014 at 5:02 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(May 5, 2014 at 4:47 pm)whateverist Wrote: God it must suck to be you. May your delusions compensate you for the loss of respect you will always encounter in any legitimate field of inquiry.

I suppose one can't entirely rule out the possibility that Jesus will be handing out juice boxes when the little bus empties at the pearly gates. Otherwise . . .

God loves me even if you think I am simple minded. God loves you too even though your pride may getting in the way of you repenting. Anyways, God shows His creative work to us everyday. He did a great job.

(May 5, 2014 at 7:38 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(May 5, 2014 at 5:02 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: I suppose one can't entirely rule out the possibility that Jesus will be handing out juice boxes when the little bus empties at the pearly gates. Otherwise . . .

God loves me even if you think I am simple minded. God loves you too even though your pride may getting in the way of you repenting. Anyways, God shows His creative work to us everyday. He did a great job.

Do some basic biology courses into human anatomy and see why the designer was incompetent.

(May 5, 2014 at 7:38 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(May 5, 2014 at 5:02 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: I suppose one can't entirely rule out the possibility that Jesus will be handing out juice boxes when the little bus empties at the pearly gates. Otherwise . . .

God loves me even if you think I am simple minded. God loves you too even though your pride may getting in the way of you repenting. Anyways, God shows His creative work to us everyday. He did a great job.

Rev, any god who is sadistiic enough to be responsible for your level of inveterate and seemingly inborn stupidity can't really love you, and probably isn't holding out anything nice for you to take once you get there.

(May 5, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(May 5, 2014 at 11:27 am)pocaracas Wrote: Why are you presenting several wrong understandings of the world?

I would like to refer to the Bible but you guys don't want me to go there.

Why would you like to refer us to yet another "wrong understanding of the world"?

Can you understand that we are not interested in anything related to any god that has been conjured up by man?
Without a god to fall back on, we take reality... or our best abilities to understanding it... and that, old boy, is where science excels.
Among many other things, science has brought us the theory of evolution of the species by natural selection.... a theory that got a huge boost when DNA was discovered and it confirmed that we are all made up of the same building blocks.. all animals, plants, fungi... all life.
What the conditions were for the first spark of life on this planet... we can only speculate. We can show that it is possible to have energy put into a particular system and get proteins out and, on some occasions, it is possible for these proteins to clump into some form of self replicating structure.
There is no absolute way, except time travel, to find out exactly how it happened... but we know it's possible.
Life - and Evolution - is the continuation of this self-replicating process, where the better suited individuals formed new populations in diverse habitats, which then specialized further and further, and further... and BANG... and perform a few system restores to a previous state... ahah, no... not a previous state, it's just that many habitats that were taken by other more powerful creatures got mangled and those creatures disappeared, leaving new niches for the few who remained... And now here we are, sharing this small blue marble with an astounding variety of life, brought on by a simple principle: stay alive, procreate.

I used big strokes on this painting, because I know that any fine stroke requires way too much time to research... and ultimately, without a time machine, we can't know for sure.... we have educated guesses.

The model, "evolution by natural selection" has withstood all new evidence that's been thrown at it, since Darwin was first mocked for his idea. Through DNA sequencing, ice core analysis, radio-isotope dating, fossilization and mummification (think Mammoths)... our educated guesses have been time and again corroborated.


You wish for mankind to throw it all out the window, because your special book has in it that some magic entity made all of this by itself... and, if the chronology accountancy is right, it was all done some 6000 years ago and done in such a way as to make it look much much much older...

Please, stop embarrassing yourself.
The magic entity that the book mentions seems to be no more real than Darth Vader or Harry Potter. Work with reality.... not against it. You'll lose.

(May 5, 2014 at 7:38 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: God loves me even if you think I am simple minded. God loves you too even though your pride may getting in the way of you repenting. Anyways, God shows His creative work to us everyday. He did a great job.

You're getting a little preachy Rev. This is what happens when a god botherer empties his/her arsenal with no effect. We've all heard this silly shit thousands of times. If your pathetic excuse for a God really loved us he would have prevented you from inundating us with your inanity. Or maybe, just maybe, your ignoramus God would have thought it a good idea to imbue you with an argument worthy of consideration.

(May 5, 2014 at 7:34 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(May 5, 2014 at 7:28 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Faith my dear Watson, Faith.

How would you distinguish faith in something real from faith in the nonexistent?

I have faith in God's Word and what He say is truth. Perhaps you never have seen a subatomic particle but you have faith that they are real. So you see, we both have faith.