It would make more sense for them to need to eat the life fruit to keep living forever, instead of being designed to not die, despite needing to eat at all, or being able to breed. Then again, there are a lot of holes in those OT stories, and it would take all day pointing all of them out.

(May 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: After a few weeks off I return to a place where the atheist have become more vile in their ways toward Christians. Hatred breeds hatred and I see it in action here, so you want proof of things here it is and if you do not believe this then you are truly blind.

GC

Not liking what you have to say isn't the same thing as hating you. Stop being such a drama queen.

And I think if there is a God, believing the lingering and painful deaths of small children happen because that's what God wants to happen to them shows far more hatred for God than merely not believing in him/her/it/they does.

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(May 5, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Losty Wrote:

(May 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: After a few weeks off I return to a place where the atheist have become more vile in their ways toward Christians. Hatred breeds hatred and I see it in action here, so you want proof of things here it is and if you do not believe this then you are truly blind.

GC

This is funny. I could tell a few stories about vile hatred and cruel people. But I'll take a verse from your holy book and turn the other cheek.

I wish Christians would do that sometime. I've heard of it, but I've never observed it in the wild.

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(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: You have the arrogance to pull verses from scripture and not allow the scriptures to be used in defense, then form now own I will not allow any references from scientific materials to be used in post when we pull things out of scientific material, what say you.

You are right, it was unreasonable to demand that the Bible not be used to defend quotes taken from the Bible.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Now I'm going to disregard your stupid request.

As you should.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: 1st Samuel 15:3 God swore to eliminate the Amalekites and He couldn't do this without the killing off the infants and children. What you do not understand is that these infants and children are part of eternity with God, unlike their parents. Those children are very glad they are going to always be with their creator, eternally happy. God makes provision for the innocent and the guilty.

Where does it say in the Bible that children of unbelievers who die young spend eternity with God? How is that not an argument to slay the children of unbelievers while they are innocent so they can spend eternity with God?

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Psalm 135: 8 This is part of a list of things done to free the Israelites and set them up in the land He promised, God is being praised for freeing Israel and placing them in the promised land. Of coarse the Israelites don't know God took the innocent to eternity, by the way many of the first born were adults, are you the first born of your father or is it one of your older siblings.

Psalm 136:10 Same as above

Right. They didn't know it. How do YOU know it?

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Psalm 137:9 This is a psalm written by a man in agony over what has happened to Israel, this is his wish for his enemies, not what God has commanded. You need to read and study what the scriptures actually say rather than post hearsay from what ever biased resource you can find that gives only hateful comments.

So this Psalm wasn't authored by God. How many of the other Psalms weren't authored by God. How do you know which ones were and which ones weren't? Why not edit out the ones that weren't authored by God?

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Leviticus 20:9 Please show us where you saw the words little children, also you need to understand the family structure and respect of those time. I know today's children believe it's okay to disrespect their parents but that's not the way these people lived and actually the children of today could learn a lesson from those children.

We and our children are better off for our having learned to be kind to them. It's not okay to be disrespectful of one's parents, but it's also not okay to expect respect for parents who don't deserve it.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Judges 11:30-40 You are a liar, flat out a liar, God did not command this. Japhthah did what he thought he should and his daughter agreed with him. He wasn't correct in what he did in my opinion and if I'm not mistaken God had given a commandment for man not to swear an oath in His name. God never commanded this period, you mislead people by your lying and uninformed little mind. Remember that respect I was telling you about earlier in this post, even unto her death.

If God didn't want this human sacrifice in his name, why did he not indicate that to any of the people involved? He stopped Abraham, but he never said not to commit human sacrifice in his name...he just didn't accept that particular one, after first indicating that he wanted it. God was unclear, and God allowed the sacrifice to proceed, with no indication in scripture that he didn't accept it. The moral of the story is to be careful what oaths you make, not 'don't commit human sacrifice'. By the teachings of the Bible, it may have been wrong for Japthah to make the oath, but it wasn't wrong for him to do what he swore to do in the name of God, even if it meant killing his daughter.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Isaiah 13:15-18 God did stir up the Medes to destroy Babylon, to punish Babylon for the treatment of Israel will they were in captivity. God did not say He would directly do these things to the Babylonians, He described through His prophet what the Medes would do to the Babylonians, He let them know the fierce nature of the Medes and what was coming from them.

I think this is a fair point. The baby-dashing thing was a prediction, not a prescription.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Mark 7:9 Again you lie and intentionally, there is no other way to say it. If you can't understand what the verses from verse 5 to 13 state then you should just give up on your brain. Again lying to propagate ill will towards God and His people. Shame is what you should feel for being so dumb as to not understand those verses.

Just going on about him lying and being wrong isn't a refutation. If you can't be bothered to explain why he's wrong, you shouldn't have bothered mentioning those verses at all.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 13:24 This is about discipline not beating, show m where the scripture calls for a beating. Again you are a liar and what you say from now own will carry no weight.

What exactly is the rod--which is not to be spared--for?

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 19:18 This verse reads. Discipline your son while there is hope, And do not desire his death. Doesn't sound like a beating and the verse does not even state what the discipline should be.

I think you're right on this one.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 22:15 The proverb states that foolish hearted children should be disciplined, foolishness usually leads to trouble, the proverb calls to help a child to avoid foolishness.

Clearly, with physical discipline, likely involving a rod. As someone so quick to call someone a liar, I'd think you'd be more forthcoming in your own posts.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proverb 23:13-14 The word translated beat in these verse is 'nakah' which means to strike lightly or severely, literally of figuratively. So the verse does not say which and taken in context of the other verses I do not believe it was meant as severely, even if it does mean severely the verse is about saving the child from hell.

The only clear limit to the beating is that you are not to beat the child to death. You want to interpret it as a more gentle punishment, why is your interpretation better than someone who thinks it means not to do more than severely bruise them? It's true that frequent physical punishment will get most children to believe whatever their abuser wants them to believe.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom, But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother.
I've seen this proverb come to fruition more times than I care to count, it's even evident on this forum. Remember the respect thing I eluded to earlier in this post.

I see no evidence that you practice respect here.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: I see why you didn't want anyone looking to closely to these verses, they in themselves have made you out as the liar you are and scripture says this will happen to those who are like Proverbs 19:1 Better is a poor man who walks in integrity, than he who is perverse in speech and is a fool.

GC

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(May 5, 2014 at 5:52 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: That's ironic, coming from a hate-peddler.

Want to bring proof of that sonny boy.

GC

(Matthew 5:22) - "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."

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(May 7, 2014 at 4:23 am)Godschild Wrote: I know because the scripture say they will be there, simple really.

I can't help but notice you not citing that scripture.

(May 7, 2014 at 4:23 am)Godschild Wrote: If those children had be left with the Israelites they would married and had other Amalekites, thus keeping that particular people continuing.

If those nursing infants had been adopted by the Israelites, they would have been Jews.

(May 7, 2014 at 4:23 am)Godschild Wrote: Also, God did not want the Israelites to marry outside themselves, He told them this when they were wandering in the wilderness.

Are you claiming that the Hebrews never adopted non-Isrealites? Are you claiming that it was their bloodline God was concerned with rather than their religion and culture?

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(May 7, 2014 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: You didn't see me complaining about persecution, the Christians in this country are not being persecuted.

True, and credit where it's due for not crying 'persecution!'

(May 7, 2014 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: Telling the truth about how people here act and you in particular is not crying persecution.

True. It's whining unbecoming a grown man, but it's not 'crying persecution'.

(May 7, 2014 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: Now that I know how much it upsets you for me to be around I will never ever leave, I'm staying if for no other reason than to get under your skin.

Good thing Jesus never commanded anything like 'If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet', or you'd come off like a grade-A hypocrite.

(May 7, 2014 at 9:17 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(May 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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After a few weeks off I return to a place where the atheist have become more vile in their ways toward Christians. Hatred breeds hatred and I see it in action here, so you want proof of things here it is and if you do not believe this then you are truly blind.

GC

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Not liking what you have to say isn't the same thing as hating you. Stop being such a drama queen.

And I think if there is a God, believing the lingering and painful deaths of small children happen because that's what God wants to happen to them shows far more hatred for God than merely not believing in him/her/it/they does.

First thing here, I'm not trying to create drama, I have enough of that around me in my daily life, I dislike it, all I did was state the obvious.

GC

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: 1st Samuel 15:3 God swore to eliminate the Amalekites and He couldn't do this without the killing off the infants and children. What you do not understand is that these infants and children are part of eternity with God, unlike their parents. Those children are very glad they are going to always be with their creator, eternally happy. God makes provision for the innocent and the guilty.

MA Wrote:Where does it say in the Bible that children of unbelievers who die young spend eternity with God? How is that not an argument to slay the children of unbelievers while they are innocent so they can spend eternity with God?

This was a promise God made to Israel, it's not something that happens as an every day occurrence. God's plan is for us to live out our lives, it has to do with the freewill to choose. In the case of the Amalekites, God entered into history to avenge His people, those innocent children got caught up in something not of their making and God made provision for them. The sinless will not be condemned to hell, why, hell is a self made punishment and these children hadn't the time to make their punishment.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Psalm 135: 8 This is part of a list of things done to free the Israelites and set them up in the land He promised, God is being praised for freeing Israel and placing them in the promised land. Of coarse the Israelites don't know God took the innocent to eternity, by the way many of the first born were adults, are you the first born of your father or is it one of your older siblings.

Psalm 136:10 Same as above

MA Wrote:Right. They didn't know it. How do YOU know it?

I have the advantage of hindsight through the scriptures, they were living the moment as a people who were usually as God said, "a stiff necked people." Though they were not praising God for killing the first born, their praise was for God's ability to free them and punish Egypt with sorrow at the same time. Egypt was warn many times, the tried to explain away those things as natural, so God brought the unnatural upon Egypt and they were sorry they had not believed Him.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Psalm 137:9 This is a psalm written by a man in agony over what has happened to Israel, this is his wish for his enemies, not what God has commanded. You need to read and study what the scriptures actually say rather than post hearsay from what ever biased resource you can find that gives only hateful comments.

MA Wrote:So this Psalm wasn't authored by God. How many of the other Psalms weren't authored by God. How do you know which ones were and which ones weren't? Why not edit out the ones that weren't authored by God?

They were all authorized by God, that doesn't mean He commanded the slaughter of the babies, the Psalm was authorized to show the misery the Israelites were suffering because of their disobedience, they were so distraught over what had happen to them they were wishing evil upon their captors. All scripture has lessons in them as long as you take the whole of scripture into account and compare.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Leviticus 20:9 Please show us where you saw the words little children, also you need to understand the family structure and respect of those time. I know today's children believe it's okay to disrespect their parents but that's not the way these people lived and actually the children of today could learn a lesson from those children.

MA Wrote:We and our children are better off for our having learned to be kind to them. It's not okay to be disrespectful of one's parents, but it's also not okay to expect respect for parents who don't deserve it.

You're correct there are parents that do not deserve respect, but does that mean a child shouldn't show respect, a lot of children today have no respect for anyone and that usually starts at home. There are a few on this forum who have no respect for those who think differently than they do, I wonder why, it seems a sad state to me. I do respect you because you seem to general answer with honesty and I have a respect for other non believers here.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Judges 11:30-40 You are a liar, flat out a liar, God did not command this. Japhthah did what he thought he should and his daughter agreed with him. He wasn't correct in what he did in my opinion and if I'm not mistaken God had given a commandment for man not to swear an oath in His name. God never commanded this period, you mislead people by your lying and uninformed little mind. Remember that respect I was telling you about earlier in this post, even unto her death.

MA Wrote:If God didn't want this human sacrifice in his name, why did he not indicate that to any of the people involved? He stopped Abraham, but he never said not to commit human sacrifice in his name...he just didn't accept that particular one, after first indicating that he wanted it. God was unclear, and God allowed the sacrifice to proceed, with no indication in scripture that he didn't accept it. The moral of the story is to be careful what oaths you make, not 'don't commit human sacrifice'. By the teachings of the Bible, it may have been wrong for Japthah to make the oath, but it wasn't wrong for him to do what he swore to do in the name of God, even if it meant killing his daughter.

The Abraham story is a story of faith and it goes much deeper than just obedience, it is about understanding God and trusting God. This story is complicated in the understanding of Abraham and why he trusted God with his son, it requires a breakdown of the entire story and I'm not going to spend the time doing so for people to tell me it's to long to read or say I'm stupid.
The fact about Japhthah is he made the promise out of his misguided understanding of what God desires from His people. Japhthah was seeking God's help for his own glory, so made a promise to God that he would sacrifice the first thing to leave his home when he returns, Japhthah expected to see an animal first because of the way people lived then. During those days the animals were keep in the houses on the first floor, kind of like living above a barn, because the people did live on the second level. The first thing to happen each day before anyone can get out of the house was to let the animals out, that didn't happen on the day Japhthah returned home. God allowed this for His own reasons, which I'm not sure I know, at this time it would be a bit of opinion or speculation. You may be partially correct in not making an oath in God's name.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Isaiah 13:15-18 God did stir up the Medes to destroy Babylon, to punish Babylon for the treatment of Israel will they were in captivity. God did not say He would directly do these things to the Babylonians, He described through His prophet what the Medes would do to the Babylonians, He let them know the fierce nature of the Medes and what was coming from them.

MA Wrote:I think this is a fair point. The baby-dashing thing was a prediction, not a prescription.

Yes your correct and many other stories in the Bible fall in this area, God does have control of history when He desires but, does not intercede at all points most of the time. God sent the Medes so to speak, He knew their cruelty and He knew they were the only ones in the region that could destroy the Babylonians.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Mark 7:9 Again you lie and intentionally, there is no other way to say it. If you can't understand what the verses from verse 5 to 13 state then you should just give up on your brain. Again lying to propagate ill will towards God and His people. Shame is what you should feel for being so dumb as to not understand those verses.

MA Wrote:Just going on about him lying and being wrong isn't a refutation. If you can't be bothered to explain why he's wrong, you shouldn't have bothered mentioning those verses at all.

He's the one that brought up those verses, He did nothing to explain them nor did he display them. It's so obvious that he took his explanation from a source other than the scriptures that it irritated me. My response was to him for not using his brains in this argument, his only intention is to undermine God's word and did not care if he was telling the truth. I seriously doubt he even read the verses. This kind of thing happens here all the time, no regard is shown for the argument intended as long as someone believes they made their point even without reading the verses or finding verses to back up their conclusion of a particular verse or verses.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 13:24 This is about discipline not beating, show me where the scripture calls for a beating. Again you are a liar and what you say from now own will carry no weight.

MA Wrote:What exactly is the rod--which is not to be spared--for?

For me it was a switch or a belt, both got my attention, what the rod is in scripture I do not know, I'm sure it wasn't some metal object to be used on children, probably a stick from a tree. To not spare doesn't mean to whip every time the child does wrong, it was to be used as a last resort to get a child to understand what it was being taught. If you go back and read the scriptures just to see how children were to be taught and punished you would see that the rod was to be use sparingly as a last resort. Honestly one needs to read for specific things in scripture if they truly want to learn what they say. I know this can get involved but, when the truth of a matter is revealed wouldn't it be worth the time.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 19:18 This verse reads. Discipline your son while there is hope, And do not desire his death. Doesn't sound like a beating and the verse does not even state what the discipline should be.

MA Wrote:I think you're right on this one.

Thank you, it's rare to here that. Children are held in high regard throughout the scriptures when people will read them with the intention to seek out what they really say, biased has to be thrown out the door, note I did not say doubt.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 22:15 The proverb states that foolish hearted children should be disciplined, foolishness usually leads to trouble, the proverb calls to help a child to avoid foolishness.

MA Wrote:Clearly, with physical discipline, likely involving a rod. As someone so quick to call someone a liar, I'd think you'd be more forthcoming in your own posts.

I did explain the Proverb instead of making a blank statement that resembles the rest of the lies he has told. It's obvious that the scripture called for using the rod if anyone would read them, I guess I hope beyond any hope that some might go and read the verses to see what they say. I wasn't trying to hide something that could easily be seen if one just read the Proverb. I guess that's to much to expect.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proverb 23:13-14 The word translated beat in these verse is 'nakah' which means to strike lightly or severely, literally of figuratively. So the verse does not say which and taken in context of the other verses I do not believe it was meant as severely, even if it does mean severely the verse is about saving the child from hell.

MA Wrote:The only clear limit to the beating is that you are not to beat the child to death. You want to interpret it as a more gentle punishment, why is your interpretation better than someone who thinks it means not to do more than severely bruise them? It's true that frequent physical punishment will get most children to believe whatever their abuser wants them to believe.

What makes you think the proverb was given to beat a child into submission when scriptures certainly teaches to raise children with kindness and love, far more about how to care for the children and actually nothing about abuse, the only abuse seen is the false interpretation of those who only care to discredit scripture. Beating a child into submission is not punishment as you seem to believe by your statement, it is an act of evil and vile to the heart and mind.

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom, But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother.
I've seen this proverb come to fruition more times than I care to count, it's even evident on this forum. Remember the respect thing I eluded to earlier in this post.

MA Wrote:I see no evidence that you practice respect here.

Really, I have respect for you. I do not use foul language at anyone, no matter how much of it comes to my mind. Are there those on here I have no respect for, sure a few, doesn't mean I do not have a Christian love for them. I'm sorry you feel that way.

(May 7, 2014 at 4:23 am)Godschild Wrote: If those children had be left with the Israelites they would married and had other Amalekites, thus keeping that particular people continuing.

MA Wrote:If those nursing infants had been adopted by the Israelites, they would have been Jews.

No they wouldn't, why do you think God refer to those outside of the Israelite community as foreigners. Israelites are born not adopted, God warned His people not to intermarry with the foreigner.

(May 7, 2014 at 4:23 am)Godschild Wrote: Also, God did not want the Israelites to marry outside themselves, He told them this when they were wandering in the wilderness.

MA Wrote:Are you claiming that the Hebrews never adopted non-Isrealites? Are you claiming that it was their bloodline God was concerned with rather than their religion and culture?

I'm sure they did without objection from God. The bloodline was important as it was important to many peoples back then, it was important to God because He started this particular people for a purpose in history and religion. One could be adopted into the Israelite religious community, but they would never be considered an Israelite, one is born an Israelite.
God was their religion at least most of the time and their culture reflected their religion.

(May 7, 2014 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: Telling the truth about how people here act and you in particular is not crying persecution.

MA Wrote:True. It's whining unbecoming a grown man, but it's not 'crying persecution'.

I wasn't whining, I stand on my answer above.

(May 7, 2014 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: Now that I know how much it upsets you for me to be around I will never ever leave, I'm staying if for no other reason than to get under your skin.

MA Wrote:Good thing Jesus never commanded anything like 'If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet', or you'd come off like a grade-A hypocrite.

There are people here that listen and responsive, just because you do not know who they are or that it's happened doesn't mean it hasn't. To give you an answer on my statement, poking fun at him was my intention, actually I've been forced through forum rules to keep his responses viewable, so from time to time I have to respond as per forum rules.
Thanks for a conversation that is civil.
GC

(May 5, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 5, 2014 at 5:52 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: That's ironic, coming from a hate-peddler.

Want to bring proof of that sonny boy.

GC

(May 7, 2014 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: Now that I know how much it upsets you for me to be around I will never ever leave, I'm staying if for no other reason than to get under your skin.

GC

So uh... yeah.

(April 30, 2014 at 7:20 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote:

1. 1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
   
2. Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
   
3. Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.
   
4. Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
   
5. Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
   
6. Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.
   
7. Mark 7:9 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.
   
8. Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14 & 29:15 God commands
   repeatedly that you beat your children.
   

I don't know just looking for justification.

Do not use the bible to justify your answer

There is NO justification in reality - the bible is a horrendous document that I would rate X and prevent children from reading.

The BEST response to some xtian who believes it =- is to make one quote

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

Then tell them to READ the Bible - from the very first page -

And explain WHY a god would force a woman to marry the person who raped her?

(May 9, 2014 at 9:22 am)ThomM Wrote: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

Jesus didn't abolish the law; he fulfilled the requirements of the law. Theoretically, there's two ways that we can be saved. One way is to perfectly follow the law and the other is to accept Christ's gift of salvation. When we "put on" Christ, as Paul explains it, we receive his imputed righteousness. We have fulfilled the requirements of the law through our faith in Christ. No one has ever received salvation by following the law because no one has perfectly observed all the requirements of the law.

And how forthright will Christ think you were about his salvation offer when he looks at the deeds of your life and sees that you only bothered trying to follow the laws that were easy and convenient for you?

(May 9, 2014 at 9:36 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 9, 2014 at 9:22 am)ThomM Wrote: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

Jesus didn't abolish the law; he fulfilled the requirements of the law. Theoretically, there's two ways that we can be saved. One way is to perfectly follow the law and the other is to accept Christ's gift of salvation. When we "put on" Christ, as Paul explains it, we receive his imputed righteousness. We have fulfilled the requirements of the law through our faith in Christ. No one has ever received salvation by following the law because no one has perfectly observed all the requirements of the law.

Did you just "no true Scotsman your entire religious tradition?

(May 9, 2014 at 9:44 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: And how forthright will Christ think you were about his salvation offer when he looks at the deeds of your life and sees that you only bothered trying to follow the laws that were easy and convenient for you?

One who has faith in Christ will live his life committed to following his laws. Jesus explained it this way: 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” If a person isn't committed to following these commands, then I don't think he has faith in Christ and, therefore will not obtain salvation.

(April 30, 2014 at 7:20 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote:

1. 1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
   
2. Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
   
3. Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.
   
4. Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
   
5. Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
   
6. Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.
   
7. Mark 7:9 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.
   
8. Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14 & 29:15 God commands repeatedly that you beat your children.
   

I don't know just looking for justification.

Do not use the bible to justify your answer

I see you almost have a almost dozen instances there where God has been credited in the death of a 'baby.'

So you question why did God take the life of those babies? To shape the course of Human history so that His plan of salvation would be allowed to play out according to His good will.

Now, Quid pro quoe Clarice Quid pro quoe. Why does 'Modern man' kill babies in the billions? http://www.numberofabortions.com/

IDK I would say I was looking for a justification, but rarely is there any to be had.. Lest you count simply not wanting to be a parent as a justification.

oh, and in your response please do not quote modern 'morality' or an individual's right to choose, as that individual is 'choosing' life or death of another individual, which contradicts modern moral standards. Which mean neither excuse is valid as they cancel each other and themselves out.