Why does God Kill Babies

[Chad32]

It would make more sense for them to need to eat the life fruit to keep living forever, instead of being designed to not die, despite needing to eat at all, or being able to breed. Then again, there are a lot of holes in those OT stories, and it would take all day pointing all of them out.

[Mister Agenda]

After a few weeks off I return to a place where the atheist have become more vile in their ways toward Christians. Hatred breeds hatred and I see it in action here, so you want proof of things here it is and if you do not believe this then you are truly blind.

GC

Not liking what you have to say isn't the same thing as hating you. Stop being such a drama queen.

And I think if there is a God, believing the lingering and painful deaths of small children happen because that's what God wants to happen to them shows far more hatred for God than merely not believing in him/her/it/they does.

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After a few weeks off I return to a place where the atheist have become more vile in their ways toward Christians. Hatred breeds hatred and I see it in action here, so you want proof of things here it is and if you do not believe this then you are truly blind.

GC

This is funny. I could tell a few stories about vile hatred and cruel people. But I'll take a verse from your holy book and turn the other cheek.

I wish Christians would do that sometime. I've heard of it, but I've never observed it in the wild.

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You have the arrogance to pull verses from scripture and not allow the scriptures to be used in defense, then form now own I will not allow any references from scientific materials to be used in post when we pull things out of scientific material, what say you.

You are right, it was unreasonable to demand that the Bible not be used to defend quotes taken from the Bible.

Now I'm going to disregard your stupid request.

As you should.

1st Samuel 15:3 God swore to eliminate the Amalekites and He couldn't do this without the killing off the infants and children. What you do not understand is that these infants and children are part of eternity with God, unlike their parents. Those children are very glad they are going to always be with their creator, eternally happy. God makes provision for the innocent and the guilty.

Where does it say in the Bible that children of unbelievers who die young spend eternity with God? How is that not an argument to slay the children of unbelievers while they are innocent so they can spend eternity with God?

Psalm 135: 8 This is part of a list of things done to free the Israelites and set them up in the land He promised, God is being praised for freeing Israel and placing them in the promised land. Of coarse the Israelites don't know God took the innocent to eternity, by the way many of the first born were adults, are you the first born of your father or is it one of your older siblings.

Psalm 136:10 Same as above

Right. They didn't know it. How do YOU know it?

Psalm 137:9 This is a psalm written by a man in agony over what has happened to Israel, this is his wish for his enemies, not what God has commanded. You need to read and study what the scriptures actually say rather than post hearsay from what ever biased resource you can find that gives only hateful comments.

So this Psalm wasn't authored by God. How many of the other Psalms weren't authored by God. How do you know which ones were and which ones weren't? Why not edit out the ones that weren't authored by God?

Leviticus 20:9 Please show us where you saw the words little children, also you need to understand the family structure and respect of those time. I know today's children believe it's okay to disrespect their parents but that's not the way these people lived and actually the children of today could learn a lesson from those children.

We and our children are better off for our having learned to be kind to them. It's not okay to be disrespectful of one's parents, but it's also not okay to expect respect for parents who don't deserve it.

Judges 11:30-40 You are a liar, flat out a liar, God did not command this. Japhthah did what he thought he should and his daughter agreed with him. He wasn't correct in what he did in my opinion and if I'm not mistaken God had given a commandment for man not to swear an oath in His name. God never commanded this period, you mislead people by your lying and uninformed little mind. Remember that respect I was telling you about earlier in this post, even unto her death.

If God didn't want this human sacrifice in his name, why did he not indicate that to any of the people involved? He stopped Abraham, but he never said not to commit human sacrifice in his name...he just didn't accept that particular one, after first indicating that he wanted it. God was unclear, and God allowed the sacrifice to proceed, with no indication in scripture that he didn't accept it. The moral of the story is to be careful what oaths you make, not 'don't commit human sacrifice'. By the teachings of the Bible, it may have been wrong for Japthah to make the oath, but it wasn't wrong for him to do what he swore to do in the name of God, even if it meant killing his daughter.

Isaiah 13:15-18 God did stir up the Medes to destroy Babylon, to punish Babylon for the treatment of Israel will they were in captivity. God did not say He would directly do these things to the Babylonians, He described through His prophet what the Medes would do to the Babylonians, He let them know the fierce nature of the Medes and what was coming from them.

I think this is a fair point. The baby-dashing thing was a prediction, not a prescription.

Mark 7:9 Again you lie and intentionally, there is no other way to say it. If you can't understand what the verses from verse 5 to 13 state then you should just give up on your brain. Again lying to propagate ill will towards God and His people. Shame is what you should feel for being so dumb as to not understand those verses.

Just going on about him lying and being wrong isn't a refutation. If you can't be bothered to explain why he's wrong, you shouldn't have bothered mentioning those verses at all.

Proverbs 13:24 This is about discipline not beating, show m where the scripture calls for a beating. Again you are a liar and what you say from now own will carry no weight.

What exactly is the rod--which is not to be spared--for?

Proverbs 19:18 This verse reads. Discipline your son while there is hope, And do not desire his death. Doesn't sound like a beating and the verse does not even state what the discipline should be.

I think you're right on this one.

Proverbs 22:15 The proverb states that foolish hearted children should be disciplined, foolishness usually leads to trouble, the proverb calls to help a child to avoid foolishness.

Clearly, with physical discipline, likely involving a rod. As someone so quick to call someone a liar, I'd think you'd be more forthcoming in your own posts.

Proverb 23:13-14 The word translated beat in these verse is 'nakah' which means to strike lightly or severely, literally of figuratively. So the verse does not say which and taken in context of the other verses I do not believe it was meant as severely, even if it does mean severely the verse is about saving the child from hell.

The only clear limit to the beating is that you are not to beat the child to death. You want to interpret it as a more gentle punishment, why is your interpretation better than someone who thinks it means not to do more than severely bruise them? It's true that frequent physical punishment will get most children to believe whatever their abuser wants them to believe.

Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom, But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother.
I've seen this proverb come to fruition more times than I care to count, it's even evident on this forum. Remember the respect thing I eluded to earlier in this post.

I see no evidence that you practice respect here.

I see why you didn't want anyone looking to closely to these verses, they in themselves have made you out as the liar you are and scripture says this will happen to those who are like Proverbs 19:1 Better is a poor man who walks in integrity, than he who is perverse in speech and is a fool.

GC

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That's ironic, coming from a hate-peddler.

Want to bring proof of that sonny boy.

GC

(Matthew 5:22) - "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."

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I know because the scripture say they will be there, simple really.

I can't help but notice you not citing that scripture.

If those children had be left with the Israelites they would married and had other Amalekites, thus keeping that particular people continuing.

If those nursing infants had been adopted by the Israelites, they would have been Jews.

Also, God did not want the Israelites to marry outside themselves, He told them this when they were wandering in the wilderness.

Are you claiming that the Hebrews never adopted non-Isrealites? Are you claiming that it was their bloodline God was concerned with rather than their religion and culture?

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You didn't see me complaining about persecution, the Christians in this country are not being persecuted.

True, and credit where it's due for not crying 'persecution!'

Telling the truth about how people here act and you in particular is not crying persecution.

True. It's whining unbecoming a grown man, but it's not 'crying persecution'.

Now that I know how much it upsets you for me to be around I will never ever leave, I'm staying if for no other reason than to get under your skin.

Good thing Jesus never commanded anything like 'If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet', or you'd come off like a grade-A hypocrite.

[Godscreated]

[Bob Kelso]

That's ironic, coming from a hate-peddler.

Want to bring proof of that sonny boy.

GC

Now that I know how much it upsets you for me to be around I will never ever leave, I'm staying if for no other reason than to get under your skin.

GC

So uh... yeah.

[ThomM]

1. 1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
   
2. Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
   
3. Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.
   
4. Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
   
5. Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
   
6. Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.
   
7. Mark 7:9 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.
   
8. Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14 & 29:15 God commands
   repeatedly that you beat your children.
   

I don't know just looking for justification.

Do not use the bible to justify your answer

There is NO justification in reality - the bible is a horrendous document that I would rate X and prevent children from reading.

The BEST response to some xtian who believes it =- is to make one quote

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

Then tell them to READ the Bible - from the very first page -

And explain WHY a god would force a woman to marry the person who raped her?

[Lek]

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

Jesus didn't abolish the law; he fulfilled the requirements of the law. Theoretically, there's two ways that we can be saved. One way is to perfectly follow the law and the other is to accept Christ's gift of salvation. When we "put on" Christ, as Paul explains it, we receive his imputed righteousness. We have fulfilled the requirements of the law through our faith in Christ. No one has ever received salvation by following the law because no one has perfectly observed all the requirements of the law.

[Ryantology]

And how forthright will Christ think you were about his salvation offer when he looks at the deeds of your life and sees that you only bothered trying to follow the laws that were easy and convenient for you?

[Rampant.A.I.]

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

Jesus didn't abolish the law; he fulfilled the requirements of the law. Theoretically, there's two ways that we can be saved. One way is to perfectly follow the law and the other is to accept Christ's gift of salvation. When we "put on" Christ, as Paul explains it, we receive his imputed righteousness. We have fulfilled the requirements of the law through our faith in Christ. No one has ever received salvation by following the law because no one has perfectly observed all the requirements of the law.

Did you just "no true Scotsman your entire religious tradition?

[Lek]

And how forthright will Christ think you were about his salvation offer when he looks at the deeds of your life and sees that you only bothered trying to follow the laws that were easy and convenient for you?

One who has faith in Christ will live his life committed to following his laws. Jesus explained it this way: 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” If a person isn't committed to following these commands, then I don't think he has faith in Christ and, therefore will not obtain salvation.

[Drich]

1. 1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
   
2. Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
   
3. Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.
   
4. Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
   
5. Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
   
6. Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.
   
7. Mark 7:9 Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.
   
8. Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14 & 29:15 God commands repeatedly that you beat your children.
   

I don't know just looking for justification.

Do not use the bible to justify your answer

I see you almost have a almost dozen instances there where God has been credited in the death of a 'baby.'

So you question why did God take the life of those babies? To shape the course of Human history so that His plan of salvation would be allowed to play out according to His good will.

Now, Quid pro quoe Clarice Quid pro quoe. Why does 'Modern man' kill babies in the billions? http://www.numberofabortions.com/

IDK I would say I was looking for a justification, but rarely is there any to be had.. Lest you count simply not wanting to be a parent as a justification.

oh, and in your response please do not quote modern 'morality' or an individual's right to choose, as that individual is 'choosing' life or death of another individual, which contradicts modern moral standards. Which mean neither excuse is valid as they cancel each other and themselves out.