The reward is not far off. It starts with repentance and keeps getting better.

Why are you seemingly incapable of absorbing the fact that many people here left religion because repentance didn't make things better?

(May 13, 2014 at 3:55 am)Godschild Wrote:

(May 12, 2014 at 7:54 am)Ksa Wrote: Jesus didn't command many things, because he came not to break the old scripture, but to fulfill it, as it is mentioned in Matthew 5:17 which says:

"Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil."

Jesus relied on the fact that you knew the old scripture and you kept it! So he wasn't going to say it all over again. He wasn't going to tell you not to rob also! He came to upgrade the message, not say it all over again.

Imagine you're in standard 2, the math teacher starts his math lesson, he relies on the fact that you know standard 1! Simple common sense. Why would he say everything all over again. That you must be circumcised, that you must not have pork. It's in the old testament for Christ sake! In fact, Jesus says in Matthew 5:20:

"For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

There is no Heaven for you, unless you're better than the Jew, and how on Earth can you be better if you're not even circumcised!? You tell me! How? Do you worship Jesus or do you worship Satan? Cause you aren't following Jesus. Following Jesus means doing exactly what the Jews do, TO THE LETTER, AND ALSO do what the Bible mentions, ON TOP OF IT. Funny guy thought he could toss the old testament because Jesus came to pay for his sins lol.

It's apparent you know nothing about Christ and why He came, John 3:16 says "for God so loved the world he gave His only begotten Son and that whosoever believes in Him shall have everlasting life. As for the Pharisees, Christ was saying that they had no righteousness, He said they know the law and they do the law without love and with arrogance and that doing the law will not get them into heaven. That's right these Jews you are bragging on, if they did not come to know Christ before they died will spend eternity in hell. Christ said many times that He is the only way into salvation and that no one comes to the Father except through Him. Since salvation belongs to Christ I would think that He speaks with the only authority need on salvation, you seem to believe you can twist and change scripture around to make it say whatever you want, guess what you can, still doesn't change what Christ's authority on salvation and how we receive it.

Sure, and you do, by quoting John 3:16 incorrectly, the correct quote is: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. "

The word begotten was thrown out of the Bible as a fabrication, not by Muslim scholars or Jewish scholars, but by 32 christian scholars, of the highest eminence, backed up by 50 co-operating denominations.

Stay small boy, and learn from your elders

I didn't even read the rest. If you want me to lose my time to read the crap you type, make sure it's accurate or, at the slightest inaccuracy, you will lose my attention span.

(May 13, 2014 at 12:27 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Why are you seemingly incapable of absorbing the fact that many people here left religion because repentance didn't make things better?

(May 13, 2014 at 12:07 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(May 13, 2014 at 11:18 am)Godschild Wrote: Few find salvation because they reject it, why, mostly out of self interest instead of self sacrifice, self sacrifice is that narrow gate.

That doesn't make sense. Why would someone reject salvation out of self-interest? It seems to me that the obvious choice for those who put their own interest first would be salvation. Choosing that gate doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice, since it leads to eternal life in heaven.

Everyone here who professes to be non believers has rejected salvation out of self interest. Salvation comes from humbling yourself to admit you are a sinner who needs Christ and the salvation He gives. it's been a hard choice for many here, some have given up what they had received. Earlier you said salvation was a hard thing, now you're saying it doesn't seem to be much of a sacrifice, you need to come to some kind of agreement with yourself.

GC Wrote:Would you have rather died as a child or live life, if you choose life then why would you reject salvation through Christ?

Tonus Wrote:I prefer to live this life because there is no salvation through Christ. If there was, then it would be an easy decision to seek salvation. As it is, the easy decision is to not chase after rewards that do not exist, and so I live and enjoy the life I have.

Self interest through denial, you have no absolute proof that salvation through Christ isn't real. No it's not my place to prove it to you or anyone else, it's your place to find the truth, all I can do is present what I know.

GC

(May 13, 2014 at 12:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: you have no absolute proof that salvation through Christ isn't real.

Sure I do. The veritable lack of evidence to support it currently and logically dismisses the existence of any such salvation.

It is unreasonable to prefer and value the comfortable lie over the harsh truth. That which can be accepted without evidence can easily be dismissed without evidence.

(May 13, 2014 at 12:29 pm)Ksa Wrote:

(May 13, 2014 at 3:55 am)Godschild Wrote: [hide]It's apparent you know nothing about Christ and why He came, John 3:16 says "for God so loved the world he gave His only begotten Son and that whosoever believes in Him shall have everlasting life. As for the Pharisees, Christ was saying that they had no righteousness, He said they know the law and they do the law without love and with arrogance and that doing the law will not get them into heaven. That's right these Jews you are bragging on, if they did not come to know Christ before they died will spend eternity in hell. Christ said many times that He is the only way into salvation and that no one comes to the Father except through Him. Since salvation belongs to Christ I would think that He speaks with the only authority need on salvation, you seem to believe you can twist and change scripture around to make it say whatever you want, guess what you can, still doesn't change what Christ's authority on salvation and how we receive it.]/hide]

Sure, and you do, by quoting John 3:16 incorrectly, the correct quote is: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. "

The word begotten was thrown out of the Bible as a fabrication, not by Muslim scholars or Jewish scholars, but by 32 christian scholars, of the highest eminence, backed up by 50 co-operating denominations.

Stay small boy, and learn from your elders

I didn't even read the rest. If you want me to lose my time to read the crap you type, make sure it's accurate or, at the slightest inaccuracy, you will lose my attention span.

So I'm not allowed to paraphrase, how inconsiderate of you, if you choose not to read my post that's okay, but if you are just going to point out perceived mistakes, then it's you who is nothing more than a child with a big self importance complex.

GC

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(May 13, 2014 at 12:50 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(May 13, 2014 at 12:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: you have no absolute proof that salvation through Christ isn't real.

Sure I do. The veritable lack of evidence to support it currently and logically dismisses the existence of any such salvation.

It is unreasonable to prefer and value the comfortable lie over the harsh truth. That which can be accepted without evidence can easily be dismissed without evidence.

Only in your shallow mind, today's science assumes things without evidence and you've bought into that.

GC

(May 13, 2014 at 12:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: today's science assumes things without evidence

That indicates how little you know about real science.

(May 13, 2014 at 12:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Everyone here who professes to be non believers has rejected salvation out of self interest. Salvation comes from humbling yourself to admit you are a sinner who needs Christ and the salvation He gives.

That implies that everyone who professes to be a non-believer is really a believer who rejects Christ out of self-interest. But again, if a person believes that the greatest reward is only through Christ, then self-interest would drive them towards Christ, not away from him. Therefore, it isn't self-interest; it's genuine lack of belief.

Quote:it's been a hard choice for many here, some have given up what they had received. Earlier you said salvation was a hard thing, now you're saying it doesn't seem to be much of a sacrifice, you need to come to some kind of agreement with yourself.

I said that to live this life is to risk hell, unless you believe the philosophy of "once saved, always saved." Paul taught that Christians struggle against the weakness of the flesh, that salvation was not easy to achieve. Therefore it requires effort to stay on the path to salvation.

But it is also not a sacrifice. To call it a sacrifice implies that you are giving up something valuable to help another. I get the impression that you feel that your life, lived in accordance with god's plan and Christ's teachings, is the best possible way to live it and not a burden. So in exchange for living a rewarding life, you get to live forever in heaven with god. Where is the sacrifice?

Quote:Self interest through denial, you have no absolute proof that salvation through Christ isn't real.

I have no proof that it is, either. And that's the most logical approach. If I were to live my life based on the things I could not prove, I would have to worship thousands of gods, maybe millions of them. "Self interest through denial" is why I also do not worship the god of Islam or the gods of Olympus or any other god. You do not worship Brahma-- is it safe to assume that you do so driven by self interest through denial?

(May 13, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(May 13, 2014 at 12:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: today's science assumes things without evidence

That indicates how little you know about real science.