(May 20, 2014 at 10:23 am)KUSA Wrote: If you are old enough to attack and mug an old man then you are old enough to take the consequences.

Again, we don't even know how much "attacking and mugging" the injured 15-year-old was doing. All we know is that he was tagging along with his group as they assaulted and mugged.

(May 20, 2014 at 11:14 am)Coffee Jesus Wrote:

(May 20, 2014 at 10:23 am)KUSA Wrote: If you are old enough to attack and mug an old man then you are old enough to take the consequences.

Again, we don't even know how much "attacking and mugging" the injured 15-year-old was doing. All we know is that he was tagging along with his group as they assaulted and mugged.

What exactly is your point other than you don't have all the facts but you still play armchair judge on this?

What do you think this old man should have done, asked them for some ID to see if they were old enough to be held responsible for attacking him?

Quote:Pardon me but would you chaps please provide me with some identification so that I may know if you are old enough to shoot or not? (As he gets punched and kicked)

The old man didn't have time to make a judgment call, but I still consider this a bad outcome. Surely it would have been better to leave these kids' punishment to a jury rather than a deadly weapon in the hands of a frantic old man, hence less force would have been better. I already linked to the studies on how pressuring people to shoot quickly induces a reliance on racial stereotypes.

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(May 18, 2014 at 12:44 pm)Coffee Jesus Wrote: Here's some research into how our racial biases can lead to false positives in weapon identification and assailant identification, especially when we're pressured to react quickly.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12500813

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11519925

(May 20, 2014 at 11:43 am)Coffee Jesus Wrote: The old man didn't have time to make a judgment call, but I still consider this a bad outcome. Surely it would have been better to leave these kids' punishment to a jury rather than a deadly weapon in the hands of a frantic old man, hence less force would have been better. I already linked to the studies on how pressuring people to shoot quickly induces a reliance on racial stereotypes.

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(May 18, 2014 at 12:44 pm)Coffee Jesus Wrote: Here's some research into how our racial biases can lead to false positives in weapon identification and assailant identification, especially when we're pressured to react quickly.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12500813

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11519925

So blame the victim and throw race in it also for good measure.

(May 20, 2014 at 11:57 am)KUSA Wrote: So blame the victim

The old man acted reasonably for his circumstances.

(May 20, 2014 at 11:57 am)KUSA Wrote: throw race in it also for good measure.

I'm not the one poisoning the well here.

The police will shoot kids of any age when the kid has the ability to perceivably inflict bodily harm to them. They are trained this way.

Should they be trained to take a shot or a stab or two if the perp is young?

Should an elderly man consent to serious injury, which at their age may even cause death, from the beatings of an adult sized 15 or 16 year old thug?

(May 20, 2014 at 12:24 pm)Coffee Jesus Wrote: The old man acted reasonably for his circumstances.

I'm glad to see you admit that. You are learning.

(May 20, 2014 at 12:43 pm)Brakeman Wrote: The police will shoot kids of any age when the kid has the ability to perceivably inflict bodily harm to them. They are trained this way.

Should they be trained to take a shot or a stab or two if the perp is young?

Should an elderly man consent to serious injury, which at their age may even cause death, from the beatings of an adult sized 15 or 16 year old thug?

Maybe guns are the most cost-efficient means to self defense that we currently have, but we could do better. We wouldn't need to exercise so much caution if our weapons weren't so deadly.

The old man did act reasonably here, but that's just one case out of many. It's a tricky thing trying out how to control guns. I'm on the fence on what the hell to do about the gun issue, because either way some one is going to get screwed so it's basically just trying to figure out what is going to do the bigger damage. If people don't have them then they can't protect them selves, but if everyone has them a lot of innocent folk are also going to get screwed. Bleh. Heck, if I know, but nothing has seemed to work so far. Alcohol kills more people than guns and there isn't much of a fuss, lol. Have they even put alcohol purchase restrictions on peoples driver's licenses for having multiple DUIs? Our most fatal drug is served around every corner. Oh, I'm not anti-booze at all, but I'm just saying it's a little ironic.

If I owned a gun, and I was that man, I would have done the same.

(May 20, 2014 at 3:44 pm)Coffee Jesus Wrote: We wouldn't need to exercise so much caution if our weapons weren't so deadly.

I'd love to have a phaser with a stun setting. Them thugs would live but for hitting me I'd kick their fucking teeth in before they woke up.