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RE: Death Penalty
May 24, 2014 at 7:46 pm
(May 24, 2014 at 7:34 pm)Elskidor Wrote: Death penalty just doesn't bother me, but I would prefer to keep it fast, cheap and painless. If I committed a terrible crime that gave me either life in prison or death, I would so pick death, and skip all those 7, 9 or 11 painfully long years sitting on death row. If I'm sentenced to death then deliver it to me as fast as possible, even within that week. I think the death penalty, if anything, is a short cut for the criminal, but it also saves the tax payer money. Everyone wins. The guillotine seems cheaper and faster than lethal injection, so why not just use that? I'm not trying to be insensitive to the poor soul that is on death row, but I really don't understand the big deal here and I'm a liberal...I guess I just disagree with the tradition anti-death penalty liberal stance on it.
Uhhhh... did you miss the part about how 4% or more people on death row are innocent?
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RE: Death Penalty
May 24, 2014 at 7:53 pm
(May 24, 2014 at 7:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (May 24, 2014 at 7:34 pm)Elskidor Wrote: Death penalty just doesn't bother me, but I would prefer to keep it fast, cheap and painless. If I committed a terrible crime that gave me either life in prison or death, I would so pick death, and skip all those 7, 9 or 11 painfully long years sitting on death row. If I'm sentenced to death then deliver it to me as fast as possible, even within that week. I think the death penalty, if anything, is a short cut for the criminal, but it also saves the tax payer money. Everyone wins. The guillotine seems cheaper and faster than lethal injection, so why not just use that? I'm not trying to be insensitive to the poor soul that is on death row, but I really don't understand the big deal here and I'm a liberal...I guess I just disagree with the tradition anti-death penalty liberal stance on it.
Actually, I've read that (in the US, at least) it costs quite a bit more to execute someone that to keep them locked up for life.
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(May 24, 2014 at 7:34 pm)Elskidor Wrote: Death penalty just doesn't bother me, but I would prefer to keep it fast, cheap and painless. If I committed a terrible crime that gave me either life in prison or death, I would so pick death, and skip all those 7, 9 or 11 painfully long years sitting on death row. If I'm sentenced to death then deliver it to me as fast as possible, even within that week. I think the death penalty, if anything, is a short cut for the criminal, but it also saves the tax payer money. Everyone wins. The guillotine seems cheaper and faster than lethal injection, so why not just use that? I'm not trying to be insensitive to the poor soul that is on death row, but I really don't understand the big deal here and I'm a liberal...I guess I just disagree with the tradition anti-death penalty liberal stance on it.
But suppose for the moment that you have NOT committed that terrible crime - you were deliberately framed, or the cops or witnesses made an honest mistake. Perhaps the jury was tainted, or the judge didn't like you looks. Wouldn't you, as an innocent man, prefer a system wherein significant time is built into an appeals process, to give you a chance to prove your innocence?
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That is true. The steps taken to prove they are guilty need to be concrete and absolutely solid. If there is a shed or possibility of innocence they shouldn't even be on death row. I agree with that.
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RE: Death Penalty
May 24, 2014 at 7:54 pm
(May 24, 2014 at 7:53 pm)Elskidor Wrote: (May 24, 2014 at 7:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Actually, I've read that (in the US, at least) it costs quite a bit more to execute someone that to keep them locked up for life.
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But suppose for the moment that you have NOT committed that terrible crime - you were deliberately framed, or the cops or witnesses made an honest mistake. Perhaps the jury was tainted, or the judge didn't like you looks. Wouldn't you, as an innocent man, prefer a system wherein significant time is built into an appeals process, to give you a chance to prove your innocence?
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That is true. The steps taken to prove they are guilty need to be concrete and absolutely solid. If there is a shed or possibility of innocence they shouldn't even be on death row. I agree with that.
But you just that, if you were found guilty, you'd prefer to be executed with the week. Did I take you wrong (apos if I did)?
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RE: Death Penalty
May 24, 2014 at 8:02 pm
I'm talking cases like Timothy McVeigh. Ones that either confess or have been proven guilty without a shed of doubt. If there is doubt then I don't think the death penalty should even be an option.
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RE: Death Penalty
May 24, 2014 at 8:19 pm
Have no fear, though. This fuckhead Haslam is solidly "pro-life".... as long as it hasn't been born yet....or in the line of fire of some gun nut.
Quote:Bill is a life-long conservative who is pro-life, in favor of traditional marriage, and a strong supporter of an individual’s Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. As governor, Bill will work tirelessly to uphold these values. Bill strongly supports Senate Joint Resolution 127, which will help us create stronger protections for the rights of the unborn in our state’s constitution.
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profile.../Abortion/
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RE: Death Penalty
May 24, 2014 at 8:46 pm
(May 24, 2014 at 8:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Have no fear, though. This fuckhead Haslam is solidly "pro-life".... as long as it hasn't been born yet....or in the line of fire of some gun nut.
Quote:Bill is a life-long conservative who is pro-life, in favor of traditional marriage, and a strong supporter of an individual’s Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. As governor, Bill will work tirelessly to uphold these values. Bill strongly supports Senate Joint Resolution 127, which will help us create stronger protections for the rights of the unborn in our state’s constitution.
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profile.../Abortion/
Wasn't George Carlin who summed up US conservatism as 'If you're pre-born, you're fine. If you're pre-school, you're fucked'?
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RE: Death Penalty
May 24, 2014 at 9:06 pm
Hmmm...Tennessee's bringing back the electric chair? More power to 'em.
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RE: Death Penalty
May 24, 2014 at 10:37 pm
In the event that they can't get the drugs, I'm not sure why they'd fall back on the electric chair instead of just death by morphine overdose or an old fashioned high caliber bullet through the head.
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RE: Death Penalty
May 24, 2014 at 11:01 pm
(May 24, 2014 at 7:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Actually, I've read that (in the US, at least) it costs quite a bit more to execute someone that to keep them locked up for life.
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The numbers I've seen in studies for TN was that a case pursuing the death penalty is at least 48% more costly than one that pursues life in prison. Not to mention the high cost of lethal injection (or what have you) in comparison to life imprisonment.
(May 24, 2014 at 9:06 pm)A Theist Wrote: Hmmm...Tennessee's bringing back the electric chair? More power to 'em.
Was that an electric bill joke? Or are you serious?
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RE: Death Penalty
May 24, 2014 at 11:58 pm
The death penalty is nothing but vengeance. Haslam's act is an example of how certain kinds of people get off on revenge killing.
We should be better than that.
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