Zid, you're unreasonable and manic, and I refuse to engage with you further. I have better things to do than worry about whether porn stars are professional or not.

Yes. Sex work is a profession.

By the normal definition of the word profession a porn star is a profession since it's a payed occupation.

If you define a profession as something which requires special training and education to be then no being a porn star requires no special training, education or anything.

I've seen both definitions of profession so it just depends which definition of profession you want to use.

Sex workers are the oldest profession.

If specialize training training is require for profession, then I know many professions that would not meet that requirement.

Zid,

As has been pointed out to you, if you get paid for what you do, you're doing it professionally. That means, if you do it as your source of income, it is your profession. That makes porn stars professional.

It has nothing to do with perceived skills. It has nothing to do with perceived ethics. It has nothing to do with anything other than selling a marketable skill.

Yes, it really is as simple as that.

(June 1, 2014 at 9:17 am)Chas Wrote:

(June 1, 2014 at 5:44 am)Zidneya Wrote: <snip>
Tell me number. Ten? fifteen? No more that sixteen because let's face it I have other things to do with my time.

I wish you had decided you had more important things to do before your manic posting in this thread.

You think this is maniac? You clearly haven't see me in Alterac Valley

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(June 1, 2014 at 9:27 am)LastPoet Wrote: Sometimes I wonder if doing something with pleasure constitutes a profession. I mean, after a while sex can get dull doing it professionally, most jobs do.

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Where do I sign up?

From porn sites. Whoever wants to be a porn actor/actress can contact them and audition. I think that's how it works. Most of them are always looking for new models. However they are very picky with the emmm… size of the guys instrument.

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(June 1, 2014 at 9:47 am)paulpablo Wrote: If a profession is something that requires learning or special training then no, being a porn actor is not a profession.

Okay however the most common definition of profession that I've heard so far from others says that as long you get paid it's called a profession. Nevertheless this concept doesn't erase the elephant in the room about professionalism but okay I can clearly see your posture.

(June 1, 2014 at 9:47 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think I watched a documentary once where all a guy had to do was fill in some forms, get STD tested and have a photo of himself taken.

Okya okay I think I see your point. I mean that wouldn't even be considered as a clinical drug trial.

(June 1, 2014 at 9:47 am)paulpablo Wrote: I'm not saying porn actors or actresses are stupid, but as far as I know I think it's pretty much a fact you do not need to be professionally trained to act in porn.

I never mentioned nor insinuated that they are stupid. I mean it's a common misconception that. For example many porn actors have become very popular Sex columnist, feminists and consultants.
http://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-smarte...-time/greg
However this doesn't overpass the fact that porn itself it's a very simple activity.

(June 1, 2014 at 9:47 am)paulpablo Wrote: In fact some porn sites pride themselves in hiring new actresses who have never had any porn experience before and sometimes it's obviously a marketing tactic other times it seems like the actresses are genuinely new to making porn.

The entertainment industry it's alway looking for new faces.

(June 1, 2014 at 10:31 am)Cato Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 1:06 am)Zidneya Wrote: Yeah but what skills are those?

Have you learned to suppress your gag reflex so that you can handle a ten inch cock being repeatedly shoved down your throught? It's not hard for me to imagine this technique requiring a bit of transferred knowledge.

I been mentioned that it is either wrong or improper to post links that leads to adult films website(but that's as far as it goes no one has gave me a official warning) So tell me would you like me to send you a private message of links of adult videos where clearly the actresses are choking and spitting trout fluids for socking a huge penis? Because I can do that.
Also your statement implies that suppress your gag reflex it's a common professionalism trait of all professional porn actresses. So tell me it's this a requirement that all porn actors must have? How do you know that you can learn that? How do you know that some people aren't born with the capacity of doing that by nature? I ask this because (I'm not bragging besides it's a very dull aptitude, this is just some silly story) when I was in high school some friends recommended me to contact a hospital that at the time was making an study of rolling tongue and how many people are born with the predisposition to do that. Something like this.
http://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask125
Because well….emmm well…..it's very silly actually bottom-line I just do some thing with my tongue. Anyway There are persons that can control parts of their bodies that to do that take hard work to learn. And other who can't do that no matter how much they train. Also if a person it's capable of doing that without no training whatsoever does that mean that that persona has a predisposition to be a porn actor? And all that need to be a professional in the porn industry it's that? Only one skill? Only suppress your gag reflex and you stop being a amateur porn actor and you become a professional? Because in a regular acting professionalism even when there isn't a explicit list of the skills you need to learn I can assure you that there are more than just one. Some focus on dancing and singing, other to control their voices other to movement and body functions but all that professional porn actors need is to suppress they gag reflex? And if I met a hooker or a gigolo that had worked in front of a camera and can do that does that make him or her a professional porn actor? Because most of what I've heard so far it's that as long as you get paid and you can do the gag reflex are signs of a profession then that's all that needs? And let's not forget that that skill only is worth in oral sex scenes and in porn they do much other sexual activities.

I just don't understand why you care enough to debate this topic. If you want to be a porn star then go for it and I'm sure you'll be super famous in no time.

(June 1, 2014 at 1:04 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Zid, you're unreasonable

Actually I was like you guys at the beginning I heard someone saying this about porn and I defended porn actors but the more I thought about it the more I saw that the person who I was talking had a very valid point. I mean it's not like porn it's a very complex and important thing because it's not however. Yeah I thought like you guys and now I'm not. I'm gonna see adult entertainment industries for what it is and not what preconceived idea I have of what should think it is. And well….that's pretty much it.

(June 1, 2014 at 1:04 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: and manic,

Ohh you are making me blush,
Because I don't suffer from insanity I enjoy it every second. However Seriously I'm a maniac for THIS? Please this isn't even the tip of the iceberg. But okay if you have this intolerance toward mental responses I won't judge.

(June 1, 2014 at 1:04 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: and I refuse to engage with you further.

Emm yeah emmm…..I don't really care that much of that.

(June 1, 2014 at 1:04 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: I have better things to do than worry about whether porn stars are professional or not.

What's up with her it' like I forced her to reply to me.
And I went easy with her because let's face it.

(June 1, 2014 at 4:24 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: That being said, I do have a few thoughts that I planned on sharing anyway before you rudely shoved me onto the stage.

But she didn't said any thoughts at all she only tried to refute my statements. And when she said the thing about porn being choreographic I swear I tried to not burst my laughs out.

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(June 2, 2014 at 10:18 pm)Losty Wrote: I just don't understand why you care enough to debate this topic. If you want to be a porn star then go for it and I'm sure you'll be super famous in no time.

I give the same importance that I have gave to all the thread that I have made. You are talking to someone who after he read the last issue of Amazing Spider-man immediately went to each video review that I could find and started to spill my guts out about Superior Spider-man. If you want maybe after this I can tell you the story where I threaten some muslim artist who forbid freedom of speech and ultimately he ceded. What's ironically it's that when I joined this forum I thought that the most important discussions in which this will be more involved would have been the ones where I have to defend my atheist social position. It never crossed my mind that I would have to defend myself with the little ones.

• The thread about the physical misconception about virgin Mary went well.
  
• The thread about when I ask everyone if they would help a christian extremist when he is down and if we should take in count this, that didn't went so well.
  
• The thread about my christian stalker…..I don't want to talk about that it gives me a headache.
  

But that I have knew that I will end up defending myself because people think that professional porn actors have professionalism? Imagine my surprise.

Emmm does that mean that you don't care about my reply about your last comment because I was saving it for last(you know since it the longest one). We can leave it like that if you want: that you and I agree to disagree. Or I can continue. But if you say yes I don't want to hear any more "you are overreacting from you missy."

As with anything, it depends on your subjective background, perceprtion, terminology, and definition.

Medieval and early modern tradition recognised only three professions: divinity, medicine, and law — the so-called "learned professions".

One could consider porn under the "medicine" category, although it is arguably misused if that is the aim of the profession.

A modern definition of profession is any paid occupation, which pornstar certainly ticks on most occaisions.

However, most people still use the word especially referring to an occupation that involves prolonged training and a formal education/qualification, which I think is what you are getting at.

Again, it could be argued that the sexual abuse as a child is their "prolonged training" and their proceeding to fuck away the pain in their private lives is an "education", with the "formal qualification" no doubt also recognised in the form of extra spunk on one's face or blow and crack from one's pimp.

In short I'd consider someone like Asa Akira a professional pornstar, similar to a top athlete of a sport, but I would probably not use porn as common example of a profession and I don't think the majority of people consider it a profession due to the classical definition of the word.

But to conclude, language is not set in stone so the word is really whatever one perceives it to be. The word will no doubt evolve again as the people brought up with the classical definition die off.