(June 6, 2014 at 11:22 am)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 11:11 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: What's nothingness?

How is consciousness as a beneficial trait of social animals "arising from nothing"?

If what you say I true, why do animals exhibit conscious behavior?

http://youtu.be/genaPkf99bY

Why do animals exhibit moral behavior?
http://youtu.be/GcJxRqTs5nk

By nothingness I mean the "theory" that all things came from nothing; a black hole in space, a big bang in the nothing we call space, or life began in a magical worm hole that suddenly appear from what was not there before. Something cannot come from nothing, it did not happen like that. Even an explosion cannot occur without established reasons for it to occur. And big bang explosion do not create matter, it destroys matter.

And animals are not conscious, as we are conscious; they are very limited in their ability to think and reason, but they have excellent instincts. Again which points to a creator.

What's this theory that all things come from nothingness? I'm not familiar with such a theory, unless you're talking about the origin of God, or what God created the universe from.

Except for scientific consensus that they indeed are.

http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal...ous-beings

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(June 6, 2014 at 11:22 am)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 11:19 am)Cato Wrote: Bullshit! You love when other people curse. It gives you a convenient escape hatch when your ridiculous arguments are sent through the wood chipper.

Cursing takes away from language, and our respect for language. Its why more and more teens curse, because more and more adults curse; in this manner we slowly reduce the human language and fill it with negative nonsense. Cursing has hurt our language more than religion.

The conflation resulting in a fuzzy distinction between "truth" and "Truth," belief and "my belief," "I have faith in you," and "I have Faith," is far more damaging to the conveyance of coherent concepts than any curse word ever uttered.

(June 6, 2014 at 12:04 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: The fuzzy distinction between "truth" and "Truth," belief and "my belief," "I have faith in you," and "I have Faith," is far more damaging to the conveyance of coherent concepts than any curse word ever uttered.

Indeed. A lack of critical thinking skills and being able to recognize fallacies is very dangerous to society; the means charlatans, religious "leaders", conmen and politicians have used to control their marks.

(June 6, 2014 at 8:50 am)mickiel Wrote: I am ignorant of many things, but my awareness grows annually.

Ah, so you'll be an atheist soon enough.

Please be aware that "I cannot imagine that this could have occurred in this manner" is best dealt with by continuing to learn and trying to increase our knowledge and understanding. If we decide to go with "therefore the only possible answer is god" we have decided not to learn anything else. You cannot progress further once you decide to stop moving.

(June 6, 2014 at 8:43 am)Napoléon Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 8:40 am)mickiel Wrote: How could we arrive at awareness as a result of magical physical unaware things combining slowly over billions of years? Even the flesh of humans and animals, which is another proof of God, how can we arrive at having flesh on bones, and then pop a thing like consciousness into it?

So, your 'proofs of god' are simply an argument from ignorance. Colour me surprised.

lmao,
yep, we don't have stupid fuks in our atheist camp that do this.

colour me blind with brown dog shit colored suprise

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(June 6, 2014 at 8:40 am)mickiel Wrote: I did not want to put this in the religious section, because I am not religious. I am not christian, not with any group, but I do believe in god, and will explain and debate why. There are a growing number of believers in God who do not adhere to traditional religions and

That is like saying that dead things can produce life. Which I think is another proof of god, only consciousness can birth consciousness , only life can produce life; only a human can birth a human; we are not continuous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes.

Don't try and use reason in here mickie. these guys are right and you are wrong. You mite as well go to another fundie religious site, like a muslim one.

(June 6, 2014 at 12:25 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote:

Substitute formulas and equations on either side of the miracle with ill defined notions dissolved in misconceptions, and you would have the OP well described.

(June 6, 2014 at 12:31 pm)archangle Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 8:43 am)Napoléon Wrote: So, your 'proofs of god' are simply an argument from ignorance. Colour me surprised.

lmao,
yep, we don't have stupid fuks in our atheist camp that do this.

colour me blind with brown dog shit colored suprise

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(June 6, 2014 at 8:40 am)mickiel Wrote: I did not want to put this in the religious section, because I am not religious. I am not christian, not with any group, but I do believe in god, and will explain and debate why. There are a growing number of believers in God who do not adhere to traditional religions and

That is like saying that dead things can produce life. Which I think is another proof of god, only consciousness can birth consciousness , only life can produce life; only a human can birth a human; we are not continuous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes.

Don't try and use reason in here mickie. these guys are right and you are wrong. You mite as well go to another fundie religious site, like a muslim one.

Mite

Cause is another proof of god. There has to be a cause for everything, and evolution nor science has a cause for life, consciousness and matter. Something had to do something for something to exist. Something caused an atom to exist, how could nothing " Cause" it?

Design is proof of God, its evidence of planning in cells and bowels and the sun and in ears, gravity was designed; emotional conten was designed, pluto was designed, eyes were designed. We can accept that airplanes were designed, automobiles were designed, but oh no, we were not designed, nature just built us. No were are evidence of design, our digestive system was designed.

Morals are evidence of god. Why do we care about each other? Why do we love people? Why do we have laws and obey those laws? Explain how that evolved?

Memory is evidence of god; why do we remember things? How could a physically evolving brain develop memory without sense's to retrospect with identification? Why would nature want us to recall or remember, if its just an advancing evolving unseen mythical force; why do we think backwards?

What caused god?

archangle Wrote:Don't try and use reason in here mickie. these guys are right and you are wrong. You mite as well go to another fundie religious site, like a muslim one.

I been wrong before, and those places you listed keep putting me out.

Not many places left to go that are not intimidated.

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(June 6, 2014 at 12:50 pm)Tonus Wrote: What caused god?

He caused parts of himself, that much I know; he created parts of himself, but outside of that little information, I just don't know.