(June 6, 2014 at 2:13 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:03 pm)mickiel Wrote: We know from carbon dating and the laws of entropy that the universe has not always existed.

Mickiel, Mickiel, Mickiel -- words of wisdom -- when in a hole, stop digging!

Here's another dig deeper:

http://misunderstoodgod.wordpress.com/20...s-and-god/

(June 6, 2014 at 2:16 pm)mickiel Wrote: Yea, its one of you're favorite trump cards that does not work for me, ignorance is one of the main reasons I have learned. And until I see anythingelse worth putting in the gaps, I'll keep putting god in there.

I don't know why I have a pimple on my ass-- therefore goddidit?

I don't know what "supervenience" means-- therefore goddidit?

(June 6, 2014 at 2:21 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:03 pm)mickiel Wrote: We found king nebuchadnezzars castle and he was recorded in Daniel 4th chapter of the bible;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II

A stunning find.

Yes, I admitted that the Bible gets some things right, historically.

It got most of these 12 discoveries right as well;

http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a026.html

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(June 6, 2014 at 2:25 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:16 pm)mickiel Wrote: Yea, its one of you're favorite trump cards that does not work for me, ignorance is one of the main reasons I have learned. And until I see anythingelse worth putting in the gaps, I'll keep putting god in there.

I don't know why I have a pimple on my ass-- therefore goddidit?

I don't know what "supervenience" means-- therefore goddidit?

If goddidnotdoithenwhodidit?

(June 6, 2014 at 12:51 pm)mickiel Wrote: He caused parts of himself, that much I know; he created parts of himself, but outside of that little information, I just don't know.

You know that God created parts of himself? How, pray tell, do you know that?

(June 6, 2014 at 2:23 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 10:58 am)mickiel Wrote: No, I can't see it. Minds completely unconscious of a god or gods, why and how would consciousness of ideas about a god emerge?

Fixed it for you. You can only have consciousness of something if it exists, and you cannot demonstrate that your god idea represents something that exists.

I been demonstrating it for 12 pages now, wonder why you can't see it?

(June 6, 2014 at 2:28 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:21 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Yes, I admitted that the Bible gets some things right, historically.

It got most of these 12 discoveries right as well;

http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a026.html

So, this leads to a question.

If the things the Bible gets correct, prove the existence of a god (according to you), why don't the things it gets wrong disprove the existence of a god?

You would think that it should get nothing wrong.

(June 6, 2014 at 2:16 pm)mickiel Wrote: Yea, its one of you're favorite trump cards that does not work for me, ignorance is one of the main reasons I have learned. And until I see anythingelse worth putting in the gaps, I'll keep putting god in there.


And I am not outnumbered, I'm just getting started; you're going to need those numbers before this is over.

At least you can admit it. Good job. You should keep learning, though. Never be satisfied that you have "learned enough". You should especially brush up on your evolution and cosmology. Also, if you can really understand the logic behind this comic, the point it's trying to make, you'll understand why shoving god in your personal gaps in knowledge isn't a real answer. It's intellectual lazy. There is no shame in admitting you don't know the answer to something - the only shame is pretending you have all the answers. Me, personally, I have no freaking clue what DNA is made of, how it works, how the coding works, wtf a gene actually is, how then get inside the nucleus of a cell - i don't freaking know any of it, and my mind, as yet, can't really comprehend how DNA works. I freely and openly admit to this forum:

ThePinsir doesn't know a damn thing about DNA!

But I don't think a god made it. I just need to read a book or two, or read some scientific journal entries, or ask my girlfriend who plays with it all the time in the lab, or whatever. Or maybe I'll have to wait until some scientists down the road makes a break-through discovery and publishes his or her results. But I hope you see my point - ignorance =/= gods.




As for being outnumbered - not in the real world, of course. I mean on this here atheist forum

(June 6, 2014 at 2:24 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:13 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Mickiel, Mickiel, Mickiel -- words of wisdom -- when in a hole, stop digging!

Here's another dig deeper:

http://misunderstoodgod.wordpress.com/20...s-and-god/

It is unlikely the laws of thermodynamics hold true before Planck time. Time and space themselves didn't exist or existed in a way we don't understand or know of. We have no knowledge of ANYTHING before Planck time.

That was the point. Stuffing Jesus into the Planck scale is the micro, tiniest place left for any God to exist.

Eventually, we may very well understand what happens before Planck time and there will be no more gaps left for idiotic god concepts.

God has gone from hurling thunderbolts and roiling the ocean, to existing before 10^-47 seconds after the big bang.

(June 6, 2014 at 2:30 pm)mickiel Wrote: I been demonstrating it for 12 pages now, wonder why you can't see it?

No you haven't.

You've been using just about every logical fallacy there is.

And I don't think yoy even know what the 'argument from ignorance' fallacy is. Which is your main go to argument.

(June 6, 2014 at 2:30 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 12:51 pm)mickiel Wrote: He caused parts of himself, that much I know; he created parts of himself, but outside of that little information, I just don't know.

You know that God created parts of himself? How, pray tell, do you know that?

he once said " I am what I am", and I believe he made himself be much of whatever he is. When people ask me who created god, I always say he created parts of himself. The way I know, is the exact same way you know things; I studied, I searched, I looked and I examined; and I found a few things out.