Fortunately I don't think hypothetical me has a hypothetical kid for me to hypothetically kill.

(June 9, 2014 at 8:58 am)Chad32 Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 3:10 am)Godschild Wrote:

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God never intended for Abraham to sacrifice Issac and, if anyone cared to carefully read the story you would understand that Issac understood what God was asking, hint, God was asking for Abraham's trust and faith and that is what he gave to God. That's why God called him righteous.
Someone said that the Christians would dodge the question by saying God would not ask that of us. Well call it a dodge if you like but, I know my God well enough to know He would not ask that of Christians, I know that through trust and faith. This is why I can live a very comfortable and reasonable life with God, I know He is smarter than the atheist here that think God would ask us such. I do not have to worry about such silly and unreasonable things atheist pull out of their butts.

GC

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The whole point of the story is to show that you should be willing to give anything to Yahweh. What other lesson would there be? Even if you trust that he wouldn't take your children away, you should still have the mindset that you would kill your child for him if he really wanted you to.

It's a dick move that no benevolent person would do to someone.

You're right a Christian should be willing to give his/her all to God, however when one knows his God he's sure what want be asked of him. I wouldn't worship a god who expected me to sacrifice even you.
You are trying to make a big deal through assumption, an assumption that's not going to happen, one I know I do not have to worry about. I deal in reality, it's you who wants to make up fairy tales through assumptions and you call me delusional.

GC

(June 9, 2014 at 5:17 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 8:58 am)Chad32 Wrote: The whole point of the story is to show that you should be willing to give anything to Yahweh. What other lesson would there be? Even if you trust that he wouldn't take your children away, you should still have the mindset that you would kill your child for him if he really wanted you to.

It's a dick move that no benevolent person would do to someone.

You're right a Christian should be willing to give his/her all to God, however when one knows his God he's sure what want be asked of him. I wouldn't worship a god who expected me to sacrifice even you.
You are trying to make a big deal through assumption, an assumption that's not going to happen, one I know I do not have to worry about. I deal in reality, it's you who wants to make up fairy tales through assumptions and you call me delusional.

GC

"Even you"

Charming

But your god expected Abrahamto do just that.

If, therefore, he appeared to you, and there was no doubt it was him, and he asked you to sacrifice your child to prove your devotion, would you do it?

RJA

(June 9, 2014 at 3:26 am)Esquilax Wrote:

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Godschild Wrote:Someone said that the Christians would dodge the question by saying God would not ask that of us. Well call it a dodge if you like but, I know my God well enough to know He would not ask that of Christians, I know that through trust and faith. This is why I can live a very comfortable and reasonable life with God, I know He is smarter than the atheist here that think God would ask us such. I do not have to worry about such silly and unreasonable things atheist pull out of their butts.

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The reason it's a dodge has nothing to do with the feasibility of the hypothetical itself, but the fact that "he wouldn't do that," doesn't address the point of the issue. The question wasn't about god, it's about you, the person being asked: the important part isn't "would god actually do this?" it's "how far astray from what you understand your morals to be would you go, if directed to by your ultimate authority figure?"
There is no dodge, before an action like this can even be considered one should know who they are worshiping, I know my God well enough to know He would not ask this of Christians. I wouldn't worship a god who would. Don't bother with the Abraham story, I know it better than any atheist here, I've already seen mistakes about both God and Abraham in this thread, there's far more to consider here than just the killing of a child, it's actually so extensive you nor anyone else would read it, I know this because it's been stated in other threads.

GC

I feel a little bad looking back now seems I'm the only one who jumped right in to the hypothetical child murdering deal.

(June 9, 2014 at 5:31 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 5:17 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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You're right a Christian should be willing to give his/her all to God, however when one knows his God he's sure what want be asked of him. I wouldn't worship a god who expected me to sacrifice even you.
You are trying to make a big deal through assumption, an assumption that's not going to happen, one I know I do not have to worry about. I deal in reality, it's you who wants to make up fairy tales through assumptions and you call me delusional.

GC

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"Even you"

Charming

But your god expected Abrahamto do just that.

If, therefore, he appeared to you, and there was no doubt it was him, and he asked you to sacrifice your child to prove your devotion, would you do it?

RJA

I'm telling you like I did Esquilax, you have no idea what the Abraham story is about or what it actually says, you have mistakes even in that short post.

GC

(June 9, 2014 at 5:31 pm)Beccs Wrote: "Even you"

Charming

But your god expected Abrahamto do just that.

If, therefore, he appeared to you, and there was no doubt it was him, and he asked you to sacrifice your child to prove your devotion, would you do it?

RJA

Or seems he already knew what was going to happen,, what Abraham was thinking and what he was going to think he could have skipped the whole traumatizing "my dad was going to stab the shit of me" situation. The whole proving devotion thing makes little sense when you can tell the future and read minds.

(June 9, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 5:31 pm)Beccs Wrote: "Even you"

Charming

But your god expected Abrahamto do just that.

If, therefore, he appeared to you, and there was no doubt it was him, and he asked you to sacrifice your child to prove your devotion, would you do it?

RJA

I'm telling you like I did Esquilax, you have no idea what the Abraham story is about or what it actually says, you have mistakes even in that short post.

GC

The "not a Christian therefore don't understand Christianity and it's contexts" claim.

Gotcha.

RJA

(June 9, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Insanity Wrote: I feel a little bad looking back now seems I'm the only one who jumped right in to the hypothetical child murdering deal.

I do not like to deal in the hypothetical and want, it's a waste of time and life over something that's made up to distract from reality.

GC

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(June 9, 2014 at 5:50 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm telling you like I did Esquilax, you have no idea what the Abraham story is about or what it actually says, you have mistakes even in that short post.

GC

The "not a Christian therefore don't understand Christianity and it's contexts" claim.

Gotcha.

RJA

Glad to see you agree, though I think it's sad not funny.

GC

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(June 9, 2014 at 6:00 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 3:10 am)Godschild Wrote: God never intended for Abraham to sacrifice Issac and, if anyone cared to carefully read the story you would understand that Issac understood what God was asking, hint, God was asking for Abraham's trust and faith and that is what he gave to God. That's why God called him righteous
GC

God could just ask for Abraham's trust and faith...or he could ask for a human sacrifice. I wonder which one the biblical god prefers?

God cares nothing for child sacrifice, and what's trust and faith without a reason.

GC

(June 9, 2014 at 5:49 pm)Insanity Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 5:31 pm)Beccs Wrote: "Even you"

Charming

But your god expected Abrahamto do just that.

If, therefore, he appeared to you, and there was no doubt it was him, and he asked you to sacrifice your child to prove your devotion, would you do it?

RJA

Or seems he already knew what was going to happen,, what Abraham was thinking and what he was going to think he could have skipped the whole traumatizing "my dad was going to stab the shit of me" situation. The whole proving devotion thing makes little sense when you can tell the future and read minds.

And yet they keep repeating it as though their all-powerful deity couldn't know these things anyway.

It's like the "sacrifice" of Jesus thing: all powerful deity needs to sacrifice itself to itself to change its own rules.