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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 9, 2014 at 8:27 pm
(June 9, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (June 9, 2014 at 5:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're right a Christian should be willing to give his/her all to God, however when one knows his God he's sure what want be asked of him. I wouldn't worship a god who expected me to sacrifice even you.
You are trying to make a big deal through assumption, an assumption that's not going to happen, one I know I do not have to worry about. I deal in reality, it's you who wants to make up fairy tales through assumptions and you call me delusional.
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Then you'd best reject christianity, because the new and old testament commans you to kill people like me. It is better to tie a millstone around a person's neck, and throw them into a river, then to allow them to lead anyone away from christ.
It is not an assumption that your deity requires you to kill for him. It is a fact, relayed repeatedly through scriptures.
Mark 17:1-2 And He said to His disciples, "It is inevitable that stumbling blocks should come, but woe to him through whom they come! "It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble.
These verses are not a commandment to kill someone, it is a warning to those like you, if you cause people to lose their faith it would be better for you to live no longer. Because your punishment in hell will be worse than by living on and continuing on the same path. You need to become more aware of what the scriptures actually say. After you have quoted scripture this wrongly you will not be able to use the ignorance defense on judgement day.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 9, 2014 at 8:48 pm
(June 9, 2014 at 8:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 9, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Then you'd best reject christianity, because the new and old testament commans you to kill people like me. It is better to tie a millstone around a person's neck, and throw them into a river, then to allow them to lead anyone away from christ.
It is not an assumption that your deity requires you to kill for him. It is a fact, relayed repeatedly through scriptures.
Mark 17:1-2 And He said to His disciples, "It is inevitable that stumbling blocks should come, but woe to him through whom they come! "It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble.
These verses are not a commandment to kill someone, it is a warning to those like you, if you cause people to lose their faith it would be better for you to live no longer. Because your punishment in hell will be worse than by living on and continuing on the same path. You need to become more aware of what the scriptures actually say. After you have quoted scripture this wrongly you will not be able to use the ignorance defense on judgement day.
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"Judgement day".
Read: Christian fiction.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 9, 2014 at 8:53 pm
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(June 9, 2014 at 8:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: These verses are not a commandment to kill someone, it is a warning to those like you, if you cause people to lose their faith it would be better for you to live no longer. Because your punishment in hell will be worse than by living on and continuing on the same path. You need to become more aware of what the scriptures actually say. After you have quoted scripture this wrongly you will not be able to use the ignorance defense on judgement day.
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Seriously, GC, I can't believe you still spout this bullshit. We're mostly atheists here at the... ATHEIST Forum. None of what you said above means anything to atheists. Who do you think your preaching is going to benefit?
Oh, and to answer the OP: I have no idea. I have no kids and no plans for them in the future, so it's hard to grasp that hypothetical.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm
(June 9, 2014 at 8:53 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: (June 9, 2014 at 8:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: These verses are not a commandment to kill someone, it is a warning to those like you, if you cause people to lose their faith it would be better for you to live no longer. Because your punishment in hell will be worse than by living on and continuing on the same path. You need to become more aware of what the scriptures actually say. After you have quoted scripture this wrongly you will not be able to use the ignorance defense on judgement day.
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Seriously, GC, I can't believe you still spout this bullshit. We're mostly atheists here at the... ATHEIST Forum. None of what you said above means anything to atheists. Who do you think your preaching is going to benefit?
Oh, and to answer the OP: I have no idea. I have no kids and no plans for them in the future, so it's hard to grasp that hypothetical.
But they LOVE to get in their little threats of their imaginary torment, even when they know we don't believe in that bullshit.
Of course, where he accuses us of not understanding the context of their scripture he demonstrates a distinct ignorance of what atheism means.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 9, 2014 at 9:26 pm
(June 8, 2014 at 11:51 am)rasetsu Wrote: I presumed this was open to all gods, not just Yahweh.
I assume all good atheists if presented with a god of unimaginable power and were asked to do something horrific, they would all refuse.
Or, at least, that's the story....
(June 8, 2014 at 1:49 pm)rasetsu Wrote: I just think of the scene with Loki in Germany and how everybody kneels to Loki. One guy has the courage to stand up. In these threads, the atheists are all like, "Well, I'm that one guy." I'm sorry. I don't buy it. I've played enough poker to know the difference between the talk and the action. I just think a lot of the responses to these threads are all talk and no trouser.
I think it's hilarious that you presume to "know" how a person would react in such a situation. You're always welcome to your own opinion or forecast of events but, frankly, calling bullshit over another members response while claiming that you know the difference between talk and actions just makes you another jackass claiming knowledge over something you can't possibly know.
In other words: you don't know shit about this.
As for a response to the OP:
Hell no. Sure, I'd be scared as hell if an omnipotent being asked me to do such a thing, but that wouldn't change my response.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 9, 2014 at 10:00 pm
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(June 9, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (June 9, 2014 at 6:03 pm)Godschild Wrote: What proof do you have that Issac was mentally scared, the scriptures showed he trusted God and Abraham.
Well gee, if your dad took you as a child and was about to kill you in the name of god, that wouldn't be even a little bit frightening to you? 
There you go again throwing out hypothetical delusions that have nothing to do with my life, like I said I have no fear of God ever asking anyone to do such a thing because I know Him well enough to understand He want.
Quote:I don't have proof beyond the simple logic of the scenario, because I don't think the story actually took place, but if you were willing to look beyond your presuppositions and actually think about how human beings react to things, you'd understand.
If you were to look past the end of your biased nose, you would see that Christians do not even consider that God would ask such. These kind of things come from the ignorance of non believers.
I understand what the story says, and Issac goes through the rest of his life without any negative effects from the experience, you do not understand what trusting God means, so how do you even believe you can speak for those who do.
Quote:Unfortunately, stripping away your own biases is just something you don't do, is it?
It's not me who has bias problems, I rely on God's truth and it has worked out just fine for many years.
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Quote:Don't you think the story actually happened?
I know it did.
Quote:What you're basically saying with your "god wouldn't say that!" dodge is that you'd fail the Abraham test if god tried it on you today. And I read before your nonsense "oh, Abraham knew what god was doing ahead of time" crap, and I'd certainly like to know where that is present in the text,
No, and it is ridiculous for you to even say so, you're getting desperate for an argument. Like I told you the answer is in scripture but it resides in many places in the OT and NT, I'm not posting something that is so long you or no one will read it, I promised myself after being told atheist were not interested in my long but necessary posts, that I wouldn't trouble myself or them. Can you understand this little quote from Abraham, "God will Provide."
Quote: but more importantly, how does the parable actually work, if that's true? The whole story is about having faith in god even to the point of sacrificing something precious to him; how does that story even function if, as you claim, Abraham had some idea of what was going on before he went ahead with it?
You're undercutting the central premise of the narrative.
The stories about Abraham's faith that God will provide and his trust that God would not go back on His promise of this son. Yes Abraham was taking Issac all the way because he knew God was faithful in His promise. If you do not think Abraham had faith that his son would not be a sacrifice, then explain why he told the servant that went with them to the mountain, we will return, not I but, we. I've not undercut anything the entire stories about faith and righteousness not sacrifice, this is apparently something you can't see.
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(June 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm)Beccs Wrote: (June 9, 2014 at 8:53 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:
But they LOVE to get in their little threats of their imaginary torment, even when they know we don't believe in that bullshit.
Of course, where he accuses us of not understanding the context of their scripture he demonstrates a distinct ignorance of what atheism means.
I know what atheism means, you do not believe there's a God or any god. However that doesn't make it true, it's no more than a belief you have.
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(June 9, 2014 at 8:53 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: (June 9, 2014 at 8:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: These verses are not a commandment to kill someone, it is a warning to those like you, if you cause people to lose their faith it would be better for you to live no longer. Because your punishment in hell will be worse than by living on and continuing on the same path. You need to become more aware of what the scriptures actually say. After you have quoted scripture this wrongly you will not be able to use the ignorance defense on judgement day.
GC
Seriously, GC, I can't believe you still spout this bullshit. We're mostly atheists here at the... ATHEIST Forum. None of what you said above means anything to atheists. Who do you think your preaching is going to benefit?
Oh, and to answer the OP: I have no idea. I have no kids and no plans for them in the future, so it's hard to grasp that hypothetical.
I do not expect you to listen, so that eliminate preaching, one preaches to those he expects to listen, I'm stating facts and it would be remiss of me to leave them out.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 9, 2014 at 10:16 pm
How come you know god better than Abraham?
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 9, 2014 at 10:36 pm
(June 9, 2014 at 10:16 pm)Losty Wrote: How come you know god better than Abraham?
Biblically . . .
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 9, 2014 at 11:18 pm
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(June 9, 2014 at 3:10 am)Godschild Wrote: God never intended for Abraham to sacrifice Issac and, if anyone cared to carefully read the story you would understand that Issac understood what God was asking, hint, God was asking for Abraham's trust and faith and that is what he gave to God. That's why God called him righteous.
Someone said that the Christians would dodge the question by saying God would not ask that of us. Well call it a dodge if you like but, I know my God well enough to know He would not ask that of Christians, I know that through trust and faith. This is why I can live a very comfortable and reasonable life with God, I know He is smarter than the atheist here that think God would ask us such. I do not have to worry about such silly and unreasonable things atheist pull out of their butts.
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Gawd was asking for (and received) blind obedience. That's all it ever wants.
(June 9, 2014 at 6:22 am)Tonus Wrote: [quote='Tonus' pid='684346' dateline='1402309362']But to the atheist, that god is incomprehensible
Any being as preoccupied with what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom isn't that incomprehensible.
(June 9, 2014 at 9:18 am)Insanity Wrote: If I were absolutely certain I was asked by a God to sacrifice a child I would. I'd surely in that situation be also certain the kid is going to go sit in magic always happy land. Why wouldn't you want to send a kid there? If you believed of course.
I'm calling bullshit here. Normal, rational humans (an normal and rational as any of us are) are biologically hard wired to protect our children. If you could, in face of that hard-wiring, murder your own child then you are psychopathic, period. I don't care who's giving the orders.
In fact. If the afterlife is so grand and you christers are so convinced then why do so many of you go to such lengths to live as long as you can? It's almost as if you all don't really buy the bullshit either. You're just scared that there might be some grand eternal boogie-man and if you don't kiss his ass, he'll send you some place worse than here.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 9, 2014 at 11:31 pm
(June 9, 2014 at 10:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 9, 2014 at 8:53 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Seriously, GC, I can't believe you still spout this bullshit. We're mostly atheists here at the... ATHEIST Forum. None of what you said above means anything to atheists. Who do you think your preaching is going to benefit?
Oh, and to answer the OP: I have no idea. I have no kids and no plans for them in the future, so it's hard to grasp that hypothetical.
I do not expect you to listen, so that eliminate preaching, one preaches to those he expects to listen, I'm stating facts and it would be remiss of me to leave them out.
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Sorry, GC. It's still preaching... and also, apparently, talking to yourself.
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