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(June 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm)mickiel Wrote: Because the universe is a prototype of what is being prepared for us; for all the humans who have ever lived. god will revamp the entire universe and beyond into a spiritual universe, even larger than its physical prototype. Creating dazzling planets and multi universes , all for us; and the trillions of beings he has already created.
:rolls eyes: I've heard this a million times by now I'm sure!
if not, then this book would be right up your alley. Its a book written by a cultist.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
(June 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm)mickiel Wrote: Because the universe is a prototype of what is being prepared for us; for all the humans who have ever lived. god will revamp the entire universe and beyond into a spiritual universe, even larger than its physical prototype. Creating dazzling planets and multi universes , all for us; and the trillions of beings he has already created.
And you know this how? Do you actually think you know the mind of your Creator god?
I'm pretty sure I speak for a few others here when I say that argumentum ex culo doesn't cut ice.
Also, you should do your preaching elsewhere. Skeptics such as the membership here usually have "why" on the tips of their tongues. Best you be able to answer that, or get ready for ridicule.
Elephants cooperate to solve problems. Chimpanzees teach youngsters to make tools. Even octopuses seem to be able to plan. So should we humans really be surprised that “consciousness” probably does not only exist in us.
This privileged state of subjective awareness in fact goes well beyond Homo sapiens, according to the new Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness (pdf), which was signed last month by a group of cognitive neuroscientists, computational neuroscientists, neuroanatomists, neuropharmacologists, neurophysiologists who attended the Francis Crick Memorial Conference on Consciousness in Human and non-Human Animals at Cambridge University in the U.K.
I totally disagree with ever last one of those who signed that declaration, they are an embarrassment to realist; elephants, chimps and octo's are not conscious beings. Their animals, beasts; nothing more.
(June 9, 2014 at 9:09 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: That's an antiquated Cartesian view. Modern science disagrees with you.
I've pointed this out multiple times in this thread, which you have promptly ignored. Perhaps a video would help:
In September of 2012, a panel of leading Neuroscientists convened in Cambridge to announce scientific consensus that non-human animals are indeed conscious:
The Psychology Today article outlining the consensus:
I totally disagree with this shameful deception of professionals who signed that, they KNOW animals are not conscious.
Yes, we know you reject scientific knowledge when it disagrees with your religious belief system.
Do you have any supporting evidence of this assertion, or are you simply "nuh-uh"ing facts again due to the Dunning-Kreuger effect that leads you to believe your opinion outweighs the research of leading Neuroscientists worldwide?
Or is this yet another example of you proudly displaying your ignorance of scientific facts?
June 9, 2014 at 9:16 pm (This post was last modified: June 9, 2014 at 9:16 pm by Mystical.)
(June 9, 2014 at 8:45 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(June 9, 2014 at 7:28 pm)mickiel Wrote: Animals are not conscious, they are instinctly aware.
You have a lot to learn.
Thankfully, teaching you is not my job.
Nope its Mine
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
(June 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm)mickiel Wrote: Because the universe is a prototype of what is being prepared for us; for all the humans who have ever lived. god will revamp the entire universe and beyond into a spiritual universe, even larger than its physical prototype. Creating dazzling planets and multi universes , all for us; and the trillions of beings he has already created.
:rolls eyes: I've heard this a million times by now I'm sure!
(June 9, 2014 at 9:13 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Yet more evidence! I'm struggling to keep up, you've really upped your game mickiel.
The game has just started; don't forget this, I will up it each day, until I am relived of duty.
s some one please put this in in hall of.. funny.. I can't breathe.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
June 9, 2014 at 9:20 pm (This post was last modified: June 9, 2014 at 9:26 pm by mickiel.)
(June 9, 2014 at 9:14 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(June 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm)mickiel Wrote: Because the universe is a prototype of what is being prepared for us; for all the humans who have ever lived. god will revamp the entire universe and beyond into a spiritual universe, even larger than its physical prototype. Creating dazzling planets and multi universes , all for us; and the trillions of beings he has already created.
And you know this how? Do you actually think you know the mind of your Creator god?
I'm pretty sure I speak for a few others here when I say that argumentum ex culo doesn't cut ice.
Also, you should do your preaching elsewhere. Skeptics such as the membership here usually have "why" on the tips of their tongues. Best you be able to answer that, or get ready for ridicule.
I do not know god, never seen him or heard his voice, but I can read. The bible has definite clues. I am not a preacher, and I understand your desire for me to leave; I can be a headache on those who dare try and embarass me, instead of thinking with me.
(June 9, 2014 at 9:18 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(June 9, 2014 at 9:16 pm)Luckie Wrote: Nope its Mine
Good luck teaching cognition to a lump of lard
I am curious, why do you keep reading what a lump of lard has to say?
(June 9, 2014 at 9:15 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:
(June 9, 2014 at 9:11 pm)mickiel Wrote: I totally disagree with ever last one of those who signed that declaration, they are an embarrassment to realist; elephants, chimps and octo's are not conscious beings. Their animals, beasts; nothing more.
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Sure I have evidence, if I may use you and you're picture of a parrot; which is a prime example of consciousness, you or the bird?
The answer, as well as the evidence is academic.
I totally disagree with this shameful deception of professionals who signed that, they KNOW animals are not conscious.
Yes, we know you reject scientific knowledge when it disagrees with your religious belief system.
Do you have any supporting evidence of this assertion, or are you simply "nuh-uh"ing facts again due to the Dunning-Kreuger effect that leads you to believe your opinion outweighs the research of leading Neuroscientists worldwide?
Or is this yet another example of you proudly displaying your ignorance of scientific facts?
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