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June 19, 2014 at 10:20 am (This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 10:22 am by fr0d0.)
(June 19, 2014 at 10:03 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(June 19, 2014 at 9:56 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Atheists say that they won't believe in God unless he proves himself to them. They won't take the money without proof that it's there first.
What a delightful equivocation fallacy.
The example of the money around the corner is something than can be proved with evidence, such as taking a look around the corner.
Belief in God is something that cannot be proved with evidence, as by definition God (allegedly) exists outside our realm of measurement and understanding.
Additionally, obtaining a million dollars in and of itself is something I would call and unmitigated positive result, whereas the proposition of God isn't.
A more apt analogy woud be: Around the corner there is a million dollars. You can't look around the corner, and you can't use any instruments to measure anything about the million dollars. In order to accept the million dollars, you must follow these certain rules for the rest of your life. If you don't accept that the million dollars exist, you get tortured forever.
Your analogy is sloppy.
You couldn't look around the corner first. You just had to believe it was there and take it. You assumed in your favour. Your analogy of torture is very wrong too. The torture is what you get without the million dollars: you're without the million dollars. If you want to complicate things further... you can keep the million dollars when you die.
Still, it's refreshing to see another atheist who understands that proof is impossible.
(June 19, 2014 at 10:08 am)pocaracas Wrote:
(June 19, 2014 at 9:36 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I think I'll make him an hororary Christian
I'm already an honorary christian.... my parents made sure to have a priest drop some water on my head, when I was less than 6 months old.
Ah yeah that makes you a better person than me then. I'm sorry your holiness.
June 19, 2014 at 10:49 am (This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 10:50 am by FatAndFaithless.)
(June 19, 2014 at 10:20 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(June 19, 2014 at 10:03 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What a delightful equivocation fallacy.
The example of the money around the corner is something than can be proved with evidence, such as taking a look around the corner.
Belief in God is something that cannot be proved with evidence, as by definition God (allegedly) exists outside our realm of measurement and understanding.
Additionally, obtaining a million dollars in and of itself is something I would call and unmitigated positive result, whereas the proposition of God isn't.
A more apt analogy woud be: Around the corner there is a million dollars. You can't look around the corner, and you can't use any instruments to measure anything about the million dollars. In order to accept the million dollars, you must follow these certain rules for the rest of your life. If you don't accept that the million dollars exist, you get tortured forever.
Your analogy is sloppy.
You couldn't look around the corner first. You just had to believe it was there and take it. You assumed in your favour. Your analogy of torture is very wrong too. The torture is what you get without the million dollars: you're without the million dollars. If you want to complicate things further... you can keep the million dollars when you die.
Still, it's refreshing to see another atheist who understands that proof is impossible.
(June 19, 2014 at 10:08 am)pocaracas Wrote: I'm already an honorary christian.... my parents made sure to have a priest drop some water on my head, when I was less than 6 months old.
Ah yeah that makes you a better person than me then. I'm sorry your holiness.
"If you want to complicate things further"
Yes, my point in adding on all those stipulations is that your analogy was oversimplsitic and sloppy. You could keep qualifying your million dollars analogy to infinity, and wouldn't reach the level of complexity that a God belief (and all the rammifications attached to it) would entail.
Stop using truncated, lazy examples and start giving evidence for your God.
(EDIT: Unrelated, but can someone tell me how to do a "hidden quote" thing? Like you have to hit the button to show the quote? I want to avoid having massive textwall quotes)
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
(June 19, 2014 at 10:20 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You couldn't look around the corner first. You just had to believe it was there and take it. You assumed in your favour. Your analogy of torture is very wrong too. The torture is what you get without the million dollars: you're without the million dollars. If you want to complicate things further... you can keep the million dollars when you die.
Still, it's refreshing to see another atheist who understands that proof is impossible.
Ah yeah that makes you a better person than me then. I'm sorry your holiness.
"If you want to complicate things further"
Yes, my point in adding on all those stipulations is that your analogy was oversimplsitic and sloppy. You could keep qualifying your million dollars analogy to infinity, and wouldn't reach the level of complexity that a God belief (and all the rammifications attached to it) would entail.
Stop using truncated, lazy examples and start giving evidence for your God.
He doesn't have any. He has endless posturing, bluster and hot air, with a chronic case of lying for Jesus.
June 19, 2014 at 10:57 am (This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 11:00 am by pocaracas.)
(June 19, 2014 at 10:20 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(June 19, 2014 at 10:08 am)pocaracas Wrote: I'm already an honorary christian.... my parents made sure to have a priest drop some water on my head, when I was less than 6 months old.
Ah yeah that makes you a better person than me then. I'm sorry your holiness.
Thank you for your groveling. You may stand and be like a brother to me.
(June 19, 2014 at 10:49 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (EDIT: Unrelated, but can someone tell me how to do a "hidden quote" thing? Like you have to hit the button to show the quote? I want to avoid having massive textwall quotes)
Just enclose the quoted text in hide tags, here's an example (I'm using the code tags so you see the tags in the normal forum):
Code:
[hide]
[quote="some schmuck"]some schmuck says something very long and boring[/quote]
[/hide]
And here's the result:
some schmuck Wrote:some schmuck says something very long and boring
June 19, 2014 at 11:04 am (This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 11:05 am by FatAndFaithless.)
(June 19, 2014 at 10:57 am)pocaracas Wrote: [quote='fr0d0' pid='691934' dateline='1403187604']
Ah yeah that makes you a better person than me then. I'm sorry your holiness.
Thank you for your groveling. You may stand and be like a brother to me.
(June 19, 2014 at 10:49 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (EDIT: Unrelated, but can someone tell me how to do a "hidden quote" thing? Like you have to hit the button to show the quote? I want to avoid having massive textwall quotes)
Just enclose the quoted text in hide tags, here's an example (I'm using the code tags so you see the tags in the normal forum):
Code:
[hide]
[quote="some schmuck"]some schmuck says something very long and boring[/quote]
[/hide]
And here's the result:
[hide]
some schmuck Wrote:some schmuck says something very long and boring
Thanks!
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
Ah... beware of nested hide tags... they don't work so well... For those cases, you can use the spoiler and the hide tags, but you can only go down two levels:
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