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Sacrificing our Moral Compasses
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 (June 17, 2014 at 3:01 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That kind of logic is what political and religious fanatics use to impose dictatorships and eliminate freedom. They come up with a line of B.S. about how their insight is straight from the sky daddy and the local yokels sit on their butts and let them get away with it. So despite all of millions of years humanoids have been trying to become intelligent the average human of today is just as stupid as the first ape who walked upright. It really doesn't matter if it's religious or political, the masses are nothing but sheep and will follow whichever con man shows up to lead them. And once started they will kill whoever gets in their way. It's just the way humans behave.  (June 17, 2014 at 3:30 pm)alpha male Wrote: I'm saying that, from an atheist POV, If religion is evil, and religion was invented by men, then men are evil. That doesn't follow from your premises. Firstly, it may be that the men who invented religion were good men who had no idea that their idea would be perverted into a tool of control, corruption, and destruction. Secondly, even if religion's creators did know that, the most you could infer is that some men are evil.  
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Sacrificing our Moral Compasses
June 19, 2014 at 11:32 am
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 11:33 am by fr0d0.)
I can't think of one example where God's morality would be undesirable. Unlawful, sure. Uncomfortable, yes.
Gods morality is impersonal. Bereft of personal bias.  (June 19, 2014 at 11:32 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I can't think of one example where God's morality would be undesirable. Unlawful, sure. Uncomfortable, yes. So let me ask you this. If God or the Bible urged you to do something that you yourself were uncomfortable or unwilling to do because you found it immoral, would you still do it?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Sacrificing our Moral Compasses
June 19, 2014 at 11:43 am
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 11:44 am by fr0d0.)
(June 19, 2014 at 11:34 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(June 19, 2014 at 11:32 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I can't think of one example where God's morality would be undesirable. Unlawful, sure. Uncomfortable, yes. Give me an example Conversely, if you felt something was moral yet it was against the law, would you do it? And what would be the difference between our two actions? My morals are grounded on my beliefs. My inner sense of morality comes from God, as Christians believe occurs in all humans. Without an external thermometer though, you are liable to act selfishly. (June 19, 2014 at 11:43 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(June 19, 2014 at 11:34 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So let me ask you this. If God or the Bible urged you to do something that you yourself were uncomfortable or unwilling to do because you found it immoral, would you still do it? I'll go with an easy one. If God told you to kill your son, would you?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe (June 19, 2014 at 11:48 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(June 19, 2014 at 11:44 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'll go with an easy one. If God told you to kill your son, would you? Well, thanks for not answering the question. And no, if anyone told me to kill my son, I'd react similarly to Hitchens and say "Fuck you" to whoever told me.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson 
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Another dodge, this ain't dodgeball frodo, answer the damn question!
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