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Sacrificing our Moral Compasses
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe  (June 19, 2014 at 2:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You didn't answer my question yet. Let's get on an even footing If I was somehow convinced that killing my son was a good thing, I suppose I would have to say I would do it. Luckily, I think killing my son is disgusting. As do you. Now, back to my question.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
I would say, as a spectator...that this is defintely unlevel territory for the faithful. Most of us would both agree that we wouldn;t kill our sons...and if an atheist says "yeah..maybe if i was from some shitty infanticidal tribe i might" it's pretty much a wash. Course, infanticidal tribes don;t always produce infanticidle members. People break the rules, morals change (else how would we get so many different groups of them?).
But for the faithful, it's a rock and a hardplace. You either lack faith (wouldn't kill jr no matter what), or become a douche the moment ghosts are invoked (well..I suppose if god said so.....). Could skip the foreplay and get into the bit about -why- following a gods command or disobeying one might be more moral according to "both" of your moral compasses. (but if you think that Frods is gonna lick that plate.......lol)
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
If I had no doubt that it was God, I would know that it wasn't God.
There always has to be doubt. Perhaps that's a safety valve. There's also the admonition to test instructions for validity with the bible. At least two references I've heard say. I'd also check with someone in a position of authority verified with other respected leaders. Given these checks passed, and the whole of my community were in agreement... no I still wouldn't do it. I'm an independent thinker who does what's on his own mind rather than what other people think. RE: Sacrificing our Moral Compasses
June 19, 2014 at 3:03 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 3:05 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
(June 19, 2014 at 3:02 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If I had no doubt that it was God, I would know that it wasn't God. Wow. Are you Neo? Because you're fantastic at dodging quesitons. I'm not asking about your community or or family or your coutnry or your government. I'm asking that if your God spoke to you, and asked you to kill your son, would you do it. Unless of course you don't think God speaks to people. (June 19, 2014 at 3:01 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I would say, as a spectator...that this is defintely unlevel territory for the faithful. Most of us would both agree that we wouldn;t kill our sons...and if an atheist says "yeah..maybe if i was from some shitty infanticidal tribe i might" it's pretty much a wash. Course, infanticidal tribes don;t always produce infanticidle members. People break the rules, morals change (else how would we get so many different groups of them?). That is the point my OP (tried to) made. If someone can disagree with God based on his or her own moral ideas, then why view that God as anything like infallible?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Sacrificing our Moral Compasses
June 19, 2014 at 3:07 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 3:09 pm by fr0d0.)
I said I wouldn't do it. Did you miss that?
God might be right. If I'm not convinced I'm not going to do the opposite of what's right in my mind. I couldn't. Does that effect Gods perfection? No. Does it highlight my imperfection? Sure. RE: Sacrificing our Moral Compasses
June 19, 2014 at 3:07 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 3:09 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
(June 19, 2014 at 3:07 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I said I wouldn't do it. Did you miss that? Well you could've simply said no, instead of throwing on all the hemming and hawing. (June 19, 2014 at 3:07 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I said I wouldn't do it. Did you miss that? Further, if, even after conferring with everyone, and reaching the conclusion that it was in fact God talking to you, you still wouldn't do it? Glad to hear it. Now, if God can be as obviously wrong on a moral question like that, why should we care what he has to say about any moral quesiton?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Sacrificing our Moral Compasses
June 19, 2014 at 3:09 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 3:10 pm by fr0d0.)
I had to think it through. I left you the process to enjoy
 See my edit before your edit
(June 19, 2014 at 3:09 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I had to think it through. I left you the process to enjoy Your imperfection? In not agreeing with God to kill your son?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe (June 19, 2014 at 3:12 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(June 19, 2014 at 3:09 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I had to think it through. I left you the process to enjoy Yes. I'm allowed to be flawed. I know you think I'm perfect, but I'm not 
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