How much of zealot is the friend ?

If he's not into biblical Literalism and Inerrancy, ask why. If he realizes his path of least resistance, slacker, cafeteria, pick and choose view of his professed faith is just going to piss off Jesus, he might as well be an atheist.

(June 18, 2014 at 11:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: My best friend is a baptist.

We don't talk about religion. It helps a lot.

You have an Xtian friend? Shame on you. I thought you were a pillar in the atheist community.

Maybe the Baptist friend is hot ??

I'm available to render an informed opinion if need be.

All she would do is prick tease. Maybe that's why Mins avatar is always erect.

(June 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Evolution does not explain how life was created, therefore one can believe in both creation and evolution.

Ooh nice. That one didn't touch the sides

(June 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Since you apparently have all the answers, what caused the big bang? Also what contradictions of the Bible have you discussed?

A man of science knows he does not have all the answers.

A man of naive arrogance thinks his religion does.

A man of conceited self-indulgent unintelligent narcissism snidely asks questions while starting the question with "since apparently you have all the answers" of someone who has not claimed to do so while believing he himself has all the answers via his beliefs, despite having no evidence for any of his answers via his beliefs.

Since your religion has all the answers...what caused earth and all in it to suddenly spontaneously come into existence within seven days, while actually taking billions of years to do so?

Go ahead. Look in your book. Try and answer that. And don't give me any half-assed bullshit wherein you try to pretend that it's all allegorical, because nothing in the bible suggests that Genesis was allegory.

As for what "caused" the Big Bang...

DeepAstronomy Wrote:Our curiosity gives us the ability to look beyond the present moment. From it, we have evolved an urge to look for causes, it is an inseparable part of our biology. Because of this, we really can't help ourselves when we attempt to find a cause for creation, it is second nature for us to ask, 'What Caused the Big Bang?'

Any answer to this problem must begin with a key realization: both time and space are contained within the universe and came into existence only AFTER the Big Bang occurred. The cause of the universe must not include them, they are not available to us. It must come from outside our experience.

In this realm, the solution, whatever it is, will seem very strange to us, and it will almost certainly make no sense to our brains because here, it is possible to have an event with no cause. There is no time, there is no before in which the Big Bang could have occurred, there simply is no cause and effect.

We must somehow come up with a solution that exists outside time and space.

Source: http://www.deepastronomy.com/what-caused...-bang.html

Before you say "goddidit," by the way:

DeepAstronomy Wrote:For many "God caused the big bang" is a perfectly reasonable response. This seems to help many cope with the unsatisfying prospect of an event without a cause.

The problem of course is that one is then immediately forced to ask, "From where did the creator come?"

If the answer is "he always existed" then we have a situation, from a causality standpoint, that is no more satisfying than a universe that springs forth from nothing. A creator that has always existed is an entity that somehow exists without a cause.

So this answer doesn't solve the causality issue whatsoever.

And finally...

DeepAstronomy Wrote:The real problem with this question of what caused the big bang is ultimately a biological one; our brains have evolved to assume that everything has a cause, we can't imagine any event ever not having one.

You want an answer where there very well be none at all, so you invent one.

I actually sympathize with that, in a sense, though only to the extent that you want an answer to an extremely difficult question; not to the extent that you have to make something up to satisfy yourself.

Quote:Creation and evolution are two entirely different subjects.

Evolution does not explain how life was created, therefore one can believe in both creation and evolution.

No, but abiogenesis does. Also, nobody "believes in" evolution. The word you are looking for is "understand." Your sentence should go: Evolution explains how life has become what it is today and how it will make life become what it will be tomorrow, and abiogenesis explains how life can be created, but some people are ignorant enough to believe in creation rather than attempt to understand the complexity of the universe and how science has been progressively explaining more and more of it.

You might wanna move those goalposts a bit further back. Should be easy. You guys do it all the time.

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(June 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Since you apparently have all the answers, what caused the big bang? Also what contradictions of the Bible have you discussed?

A man of science knows he does not have all the answers.

A man of naive arrogance thinks his religion does.

A man of conceited self-indulgent narcissism snidely asks questions while starting the question with "since apparently you have all the answers" while believing he himself has all the answers, despite having no evidence that he has all the answers.

Since your religion has all the answers...what caused earth and all in it to suddenly spontaneously come into existence within seven days, while actually taking billions of years to do so?

Go ahead. Look in your book. Try and answer that. And don't give me any half-assed bullshit wherein you try to pretend that it's all allegorical, because nothing in the bible suggests that Genesis was allegory.

Quote:Creation and evolution are two entirely different subjects.

Evolution does not explain how life was created, therefore one can believe in both creation and evolution.

No, but abiogenesis does. Also, nobody "believes in" evolution. The word you are looking for is "understand." Your sentence should go: Evolution explains how life has become what it is today and how it will make life become what it will be tomorrow, and abiogenesis explains how life can be created, but some people are ignorant enough to believe in creation rather than attempt to understand the complexity of the universe and how science has been progressively explaining more and more of it.

You might wanna move those goalposts a bit further back. Should be easy. You guys do it all the time.

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(June 19, 2014 at 2:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Ooh nice. That one didn't touch the sides

Even though it touched both.

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(June 19, 2014 at 4:05 am)fr0d0 Wrote: How come you in your ignorance want other people to be as ignorant as you?!

Oh if only you understood the concept of irony...

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(June 19, 2014 at 12:15 pm)alpha male Wrote: Why do you want him to stop believing?

Why do you want others to believe?

(June 19, 2014 at 2:31 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(June 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Since you apparently have all the answers, what caused the big bang? Also what contradictions of the Bible have you discussed?

A man of science knows he does not have all the answers.

A man of naive arrogance thinks his religion does.

A man of conceited self-indulgent unintelligent narcissism snidely asks questions while starting the question with "since apparently you have all the answers" of someone who has not claimed to do so while believing he himself has all the answers via his beliefs, despite having no evidence for any of his answers via his beliefs.

I didn't realize you were the op.

First of all,

How can you make the statement "he knows im right, but is still a christian?" and not have the answers? He clearly mentioned he was right about the "big bang", ok, so explain it.

Second,

check the definition of faith vs knowledge. The Bible doesn't require you to know it, it requires you to believe it.

Quote:Since your religion has all the answers...what caused earth and all in it to suddenly spontaneously come into existence within seven days, while actually taking billions of years to do so?

Go ahead. Look in your book. Try and answer that. And don't give me any half-assed bullshit wherein you try to pretend that it's all allegorical, because nothing in the bible suggests that Genesis was allegory.

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Notice that period at the end of that sentence. That's called a full stop. so in fact the Bible does not say how long it took to create the earth.

(quick edit) I see you edited your post..

(June 19, 2014 at 3:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I didn't realize you were the op.

I didn't realize you were under the delusion that you thought that posting in a public forum would subject you to responses from other people.

Quote:First of all,

How can you make the statement "he knows im right, but is still a christian?" and not have the answers? He clearly mentioned he was right about the "big bang", ok, so explain it.

Pay attention, child, and look up the definition of "context."

And explain what? The cause or the mechanics involving it? Because the mechanics involving it have been explained quite a bit by astrophysicists.

Oh, wait, you're the guy who said "you can believe in evolution."

Never mind, it'd be cruel of me to put such a burden of understanding upon you.

Quote:Second,

check the definition of faith vs knowledge. The Bible doesn't require you to know it, it requires you to believe it.

I really hope that wasn't supposed to be an argument in favor of the bible and faith, because if so, that's like shooting yourself in the gut and saying you won the gunfight.

Faith is "knowing" it's right without having any reason to. If you don't know god exists, then there's no reason to believe god exists. That's all there is to it. To alter a famous Pulp Fiction quite: Logic, motherfucker, do you use it?

Quote:Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Bolded by CoH)

Notice that period at the end of that sentence. That's called a full stop. so in fact the Bible does not say how long it took to create the earth.

The Book of Lies Wrote:Genesis 2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Genesis 4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Genesis 5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Genesis 8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Genesis 9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Genesis 10: And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:[/b] and it was so.

Genesis 12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 13: And the evening and the morning were the third day.

(so on and so on...)

Genesis 31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

That's called a reference to time. Meaning that all that happened within six days. Meaning, yes, it does indeed say how long it took to create the earth; the earth was created within six days, apparently, along with everything in it, which the book of Genesis says very clearly. Which is bullshit, as science has proven beyond all doubt. So earth was created before the sixth day, the same day heaven was created? Speaking of which, where is that darned heaven...?

Read your book of delusions more carefully next time before you say something stupid like "there was no reference to time for when the earth was created!" Cuz it says, in the beginning, he created earth, and then it details that it happens over six days. Don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining.

Quote:(quick edit) I see you edited your post..

Yep. It was to add more stuff to the post to bury you with. Given the lackluster reply, it seems it worked.

You'll notice, by the way, that edit took place before you posted, and I notice when I was done editing, you weren't viewing the thread, so I'm really not sure what you were attempting to imply, here.

(June 19, 2014 at 4:06 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(June 19, 2014 at 3:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I didn't realize you were the op.

I didn't realize you were under the delusion that you thought that posting in a public forum would subject you to responses from other people.

I asked the op, two specific questions

1. what caused the big bang?
2. Also what contradictions of the Bible have you discussed?

The op clearly states he is right about both of those.

So what were his arguments to his friend concerning the big bang and bible contradictions that made him "right"?

Quote:Pay attention, child, and look up the definition of "context."

And explain what? The cause or the mechanics involving it? Because the mechanics involving it have been explained quite a bit by astrophysicists.

Oh, wait, you're the guy who said "you can believe in evolution."

Never mind, it'd be cruel of me to put such a burden of understanding upon you.

The cause.

I'm interested in how the mechanics got here in the fist place. The closest any astrophysicist has come to explaining it is this...



As you can see, not an explanation at all.

Quote:I really hope that wasn't supposed to be an argument in favor of the bible and faith, because if so, that's like shooting yourself in the gut and saying you won the gunfight.

Faith is "knowing" it's right without having any reason to. If you don't know god exists, then there's no reason to believe god exists. That's all there is to it. To alter a famous Pulp Fiction quite: Logic, motherfucker, do you use it?

Faith and knowledge cannot coexist.

For example: let's use the phrase "leap of faith" literally. If one has knowledge or proof of where they are leaping, it is no longer a leap of faith.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith
faith
noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

Quote:That's called a reference to time. Meaning that all that happened within six days. Meaning, yes, it does indeed say how long it took to create the earth; the earth was created within six days, apparently, along with everything in it, which the book of Genesis says very clearly. Which is bullshit, as science has proven beyond all doubt. So earth was created before the sixth day, the same day heaven was created? Speaking of which, where is that darned heaven...?

Read your book of delusions more carefully next time before you say something stupid like "there was no reference to time for when the earth was created!" Cuz it says, in the beginning, he created earth, and then it details that it happens over six days. Don't spit in my face and tell me it's raining.

Wrong, read it how it's written.

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

In the first verse we see that the earth was created and no mention of how long it took.

Genesis 1
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

In the second verse the earth is clearly already established seeing how there is water upon it. The rest of the chapter is God basically "terraforming" (for lack of a better word) and placing life upon the earth. the creation of it was already done.

Quote:

Quote:(quick edit) I see you edited your post..

Yep. It was to add more stuff to the post to bury you with. Given the lackluster reply, it seems it worked.

You'll notice, by the way, that edit took place before you posted, and I notice when I was done editing, you weren't viewing the thread, so I'm really not sure what you were attempting to imply, here.

You made your edit in the time I was replying to your first post. (I'm terrible at typing.)

I don't believe in the Christian god, or Jesus but I still like going to church, it sounds like you want to be right, and want your friend to verify this so you can be happy.