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RE: Leviticus only applies to the Levites
June 24, 2014 at 4:40 pm
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(June 24, 2014 at 4:08 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (June 24, 2014 at 3:50 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So to answer your question while Paul's letter to the Corinthians deals with issues the Corinthians were having at the time, it still sets a precedent for all Christians.
Where in your book does it say that the same principle does not apply to other books like Leviticus?
This really is not an answer; you're just saying, "Because."
I explained it.
Since Leviticus is Levitical law, Think of it the same way as our laws.
The law applies to everyone, but lawyers are the ones who practice it.
So therefore where Leviticus describes how to make an offering or sacrifice, that applies to the priests because they are the only ones with that authorization.
your normal layperson probably wouldn't know all the Levitical laws, that's the job of the priests.
(June 24, 2014 at 4:30 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: (June 24, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: To put it simply.
The book of Leviticus explains to the priesthood (Levites) how they were to preform their duties.
Funny. If that were the case, why would Jesus have had to tell the crowd NOT to stone the woman to death, as per Leviticus instruction? And Jesus didn't say the law was inapplicable to her, but that only "he who was without sin" could rightfully do so. Of course, that would make one wonder why Jesus didn't stone her to do, supposedly having been sinless himself.
because they according to the Law were supposed to bring the man and woman, they only brought the woman.
Leviticus 20
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
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RE: Leviticus only applies to the Levites
June 24, 2014 at 7:44 pm
(June 24, 2014 at 3:50 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: As I stated earlier "The book of Leviticus explains to the priesthood (Levites) how they were to preform their duties."
The guy I was talking to did clarify and basically say the same thing. He just made an earlier response much more confusing.
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RE: Leviticus only applies to the Levites
June 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm
Robby, all holy books are like the fine print in a credit card agreement, sounds great until you sign, then everything is subject to their pickpocketing. But you keep the card anyway because the way they fuck you feels sooooooooo good. So you defend the abuse.
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RE: Leviticus only applies to the Levites
June 25, 2014 at 3:50 am
(June 24, 2014 at 4:30 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: (June 24, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: To put it simply.
The book of Leviticus explains to the priesthood (Levites) how they were to preform their duties.
Funny. If that were the case, why would Jesus have had to tell the crowd NOT to stone the woman to death, as per Leviticus instruction? And Jesus didn't say the law was inapplicable to her, but that only "he who was without sin" could rightfully do so. Of course, that would make one wonder why Jesus didn't stone her to do, supposedly having been sinless himself.
That particular story isn't about sexual activity but rather worshiping foreign gods. In the Bible the word "adultery" has two different meanings. You have to decipher it in the proper context.
Jesus had been waltzing around claiming that he was the son of God and that people had to worship him. The woman the crowd caught was Jewish and she was probably seen at a non-Jewish temple. Given Jesus' statements he couldn't very well condemn the woman because he had been asking the crowd to worship him instead of the traditional Jewish deity. So he punted.
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RE: Leviticus only applies to the Levites
June 25, 2014 at 9:51 am
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(June 25, 2014 at 3:50 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (June 24, 2014 at 4:30 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Funny. If that were the case, why would Jesus have had to tell the crowd NOT to stone the woman to death, as per Leviticus instruction? And Jesus didn't say the law was inapplicable to her, but that only "he who was without sin" could rightfully do so. Of course, that would make one wonder why Jesus didn't stone her to do, supposedly having been sinless himself.
That particular story isn't about sexual activity but rather worshiping foreign gods. In the Bible the word "adultery" has two different meanings. You have to decipher it in the proper context.
Jesus had been waltzing around claiming that he was the son of God and that people had to worship him. The woman the crowd caught was Jewish and she was probably seen at a non-Jewish temple. Given Jesus' statements he couldn't very well condemn the woman because he had been asking the crowd to worship him instead of the traditional Jewish deity. So he punted.
Out of curiosity, when you stated "In the Bible the word "adultery" has two different meanings." what language are you referring to?
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RE: Leviticus only applies to the Levites
June 25, 2014 at 10:42 am
Quote:because they according to the Law were supposed to bring the man and woman, they only brought the woman.
Leviticus 20
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
?????
What a terrible legal system,. Inability to prosecute (charges dismissed..no less) unless all accessories to the crime are present? Well then, you could get away with anything so long as you remembered to shoot and kill at least one member of your little gang.
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RE: Leviticus only applies to the Levites
June 25, 2014 at 10:48 am
Quote:because they according to the Law were supposed to bring the man and woman, they only brought the woman.
So in your view Jesus prevents the stoning because not all the guilty parties were there to be stoned?
Wow - lovely version of Jesus you got there.
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RE: Leviticus only applies to the Levites
June 25, 2014 at 11:36 am
(June 25, 2014 at 10:48 am)max-greece Wrote: Quote:because they according to the Law were supposed to bring the man and woman, they only brought the woman.
So in your view Jesus prevents the stoning because not all the guilty parties were there to be stoned?
Wow - lovely version of Jesus you got there.
*Imagines adulterous man and woman cowering before the mob as Jesus (the sinless one) picks up the first stone and declares, "On my order, fellows, unleash hell!"*
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RE: Leviticus only applies to the Levites
June 25, 2014 at 2:10 pm
(June 24, 2014 at 4:40 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (June 24, 2014 at 4:08 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Where in your book does it say that the same principle does not apply to other books like Leviticus?
This really is not an answer; you're just saying, "Because."
I explained it.
Since Leviticus is Levitical law, Think of it the same way as our laws.
The law applies to everyone, but lawyers are the ones who practice it.
So therefore where Leviticus describes how to make an offering or sacrifice, that applies to the priests because they are the only ones with that authorization.
your normal layperson probably wouldn't know all the Levitical laws, that's the job of the priests.
That doesn't explain why the same principle is not in play when other books written to specific subgroups are thereafter generalized to all Christians.
In short, you're engaged in special pleading.
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RE: Leviticus only applies to the Levites
June 25, 2014 at 2:16 pm
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(June 25, 2014 at 10:42 am)Rhythm Wrote: Quote:because they according to the Law were supposed to bring the man and woman, they only brought the woman.
Leviticus 20
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
?????
What a terrible legal system,. Inability to prosecute (charges dismissed..no less) unless all accessories to the crime are present?
1. It takes two people to commit adultery, so both parties had to be present.
2. all of her accusers had left.
John 8
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
No accusers = case dismissed.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000071
"The Law of Moses also gave the accused the right to face his accuser before a court of justice in order that the truth of the charges might be fully established."
"The testimony of two or three witnesses was required, and not just the word of a single accuser."
(June 25, 2014 at 10:48 am)max-greece Wrote: Quote:because they according to the Law were supposed to bring the man and woman, they only brought the woman.
So in your view Jesus prevents the stoning because not all the guilty parties were there to be stoned?
Wow - lovely version of Jesus you got there. the Law is what it is, if you don't want to be stoned for adultery, don't commit adultery.
But the scribes and Pharisees already knew Jesus wasn't going to have the woman stoned, the whole thing was a ploy to accuse Jesus of not obeying the law.
John 8
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
(June 25, 2014 at 2:10 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (June 24, 2014 at 4:40 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I explained it.
Since Leviticus is Levitical law, Think of it the same way as our laws.
The law applies to everyone, but lawyers are the ones who practice it.
So therefore where Leviticus describes how to make an offering or sacrifice, that applies to the priests because they are the only ones with that authorization.
your normal layperson probably wouldn't know all the Levitical laws, that's the job of the priests.
That doesn't explain why the same principle is not in play when other books written to specific subgroups are thereafter generalized to all Christians.
In short, you're engaged in special pleading.
Robbypants understood just fine..
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