Hell, even the Bible teaches evolution as a fact.

We were discussing how the edge of the Universe can move galaxies at over three times the speed of light and how that doesn't happen in our area of space.

(June 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: We were discussing how the edge of the Universe

Ain't no such thing.

(June 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: can move galaxies at over three times the speed of light and how that doesn't happen in our area of space.

Relativity. Clearly you don't understand it.

(June 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Hell, even the Bible teaches evolution as a fact.

TeN U Must bE liK 3.6 steps aWay from belief iN teh faeries teh.

On a more serious note...

No. No, it doesn't you fucking idiot.

3 points in space A - B - C. B has been moving away from A for 13.8by and C has been moving away from B for 13.8by so why can't the universe be 27.6by in size wyrd? (Its completely innacurate but demonstrates a basic point). Using the same idea, if A was moving away from B at 99.9%c and C was moving away from B at 99.9%c, how fast is A moving away from C? ...199.8%c because relative velocities are not constrained, just absolute velocities. Therefore relative to the space expanding at >c its still less than c in the absolute frame of reference. That's how i understand it anyway.

(June 29, 2014 at 3:55 pm)StuW Wrote: 3 points in space A - B - C. B has been moving away from A for 13.8by and C has been moving away from B for 13.8by so why can't the universe be 27.6by in size wyrd? (Its completely innacurate but demonstrates a basic point). Using the same idea, if A was moving away from B at 99.9%c and C was moving away from B at 99.9%c, how fast is A moving away from C? ...199.8%c because relative velocities are not constrained, just absolute velocities. Therefore relative to the space expanding at >c its still less than c in the absolute frame of reference. That's how i understand it anyway.

You're on the right track - one piece that's missing is that it's the underlying space that is expanding. The objects (galaxies, etc) are not moving per se, but rather being "carried" as space itself expands.

Wyrd is confused because he thinks we don't see this effect locally - we do, except where objects are gravitationally bound. The shorter the distance, the greater the gravitational force. The Andromeda galaxy is moving towards us because we are gravitationally bound to it, and are in mutual orbit.

So why isn't the Milky Way "riding the wave" of expanding space and hurtling away from far away galaxies at relativistic speeds. We are. Our frame of reference simply doesn't allow us to observe it.

As I said: Wyrd doesn't understand relativity, and he apparently doesn't care to.

(June 29, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(June 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Hell, even the Bible teaches evolution as a fact.

TeN U Must bE liK 3.6 steps aWay from belief iN teh faeries teh.

On a more serious note...

No. No, it doesn't you fucking idiot.

Sorry but you don't know Jack Shit. Please become informed before you start flapping your jaws.

Wisdom 19:18-19 (CEB) = "18 If we are careful to observe events, we can see just how the elements of the universe are transformed. It’s the same transformation that happens when someone changes the sounds that a harp makes by changing the key while continuing to play the same melody. 19 In this way, land animals were changed into underwater creatures, while animals that swam in the waters now moved onto the land." https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=CEB

Isn't that the accepted evolutionary process for how land animals became whales? http://ocean.si.edu/ocean-videos/evoluti...-animation

Quote:Just another among the dates that they don't know
The birth of the christ
The death of the christ
The marriage of the christ

Not to mention "The last temptation of christ."

(June 29, 2014 at 4:33 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Wisdom 19:18-19 (CEB) = "18 If we are careful to observe events, we can see just how the elements of the universe are transformed. It’s the same transformation that happens when someone changes the sounds that a harp makes by changing the key while continuing to play the same melody. 19 In this way, land animals were changed into underwater creatures, while animals that swam in the waters now moved onto the land." https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=CEB

Isn't that the accepted evolutionary process for how land animals became whales? http://ocean.si.edu/ocean-videos/evoluti...-animation

Well no, Wisdom does not contain a theory of how evolution happened other than it happened the way someone might change the key in a melody. The theory of natural selection is not there. What it does acknowledge is change in animals. That's better than some creationism, but not much. And it does imply a harpest (god) making the changes without allow for natural change.

Wisdom, btw, is not canonical and not generally accepted by most Christians. And it does conflict with Genesis.

Who knew that self-professed atheists would defend the ethnocentric Jewish religious fairy tale in the Bible with such vigor? One of the few passages in the Bible that is not flim-flammery is Wisdom 19:18-19 (CEB) which states that land creatures became sea creatures and sea creatures became land creatures. We know that is a fact because whales are an example of that. Normal people would consider that as an example of evolution in action. Apparently some atheists disagree because they want an entire dedicated to how that happened.

But the same people believe that Genesis is the real thing. That's the book with the Adan & Eve characters in the Garden of Eden who were the parents of all humanity and that Noah's flood (actual liquid water) covered the whole world over the tallest mountains and killed everyone and all of the animals except for what Noah had on his ark. They ignore the part where it says that the Garden of Eden was just down the road from Cush and Assyria. And then, presto! After the flood waters receded Nimrod was building cities in Assyria as if nothing had happened. Since history shows that Assyria was never destoyed by a flood it must have been on another planet speeding through space as space expands faster than the speed of light.

You guys should go play with your unicorns.

(June 29, 2014 at 6:02 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Who knew that self-professed atheists would defend the ethnocentric Jewish religious fairy tale in the Bible with such vigor?

His favorite line when people expose his stupidity. Hey, look guys, "the Bible" has more scientific knowledge!!!

"In this way, land animals were changed into underwater creatures, while animals that swam in the waters now moved onto the land. 20 Fire was able to burn on the open water, while water forgot that it was supposed to put fire out. 21 Flames no longer burned the exposed flesh of living beings, who were able to walk through the flames. Flames didn’t even melt the frostlike crystals that were a kind of food of everlasting life."