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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 9:44 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Ronedee is so clearly deluded and WANTS TO BELIEVE. The question is, why?
Based on all of the boot-licking and sycophantic ass-kissing that drips from every one of his posts, the answer is obvious: fear. He is deathly afraid that if he doesn’t believe “with all of his heart”, the god with which he has been indoctrinated won’t let him live forever.
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 1, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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(July 1, 2014 at 1:58 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Quote:I pray for those "babies" and a lot of other things too! But I also know that I, alone, have no control over anything in this world! The reason those babies are dying is man-made! Not God!
Bzzzt, wrong. From the shoes up. The reason that they are dying is that the distribution of resources is unfair, and we are a highly competitive species. We didn't "make ourselves this way". We did not "make the world this way".
The reason that they -continue to die-..now that we could solve this problem...is man-made, insomuch as, if you are to be believed...we have failed to address your gods design flaws. His shortcomings. We haven't properly shored up the points where your god did less than you would...as a human being...with so much more means and ability to do so.
What a bunch of hogwash!
You have no argument against God. You point a finger, but the other four point back at yourself, and those who would agree with that crap.
(July 1, 2014 at 1:54 pm)Tonus Wrote: (July 1, 2014 at 1:43 pm)ronedee Wrote: Its human nature! that's why its set up this way. No one wins but God. No one. We are either on His team... or the alternative! Simple. But you believe that humans are made in god's image. So what we are reflecting is his nature, isn't it?
Yes... we are made in His image. Are things more clear now!
(July 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm)Strongbad Wrote: (July 1, 2014 at 9:44 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Ronedee is so clearly deluded and WANTS TO BELIEVE. The question is, why?
Based on all of the boot-licking and sycophantic ass-kissing that drips from every one of his posts, the answer is obvious: fear. He is deathly afraid that if he doesn’t believe “with all of his heart”, the god with which he has been indoctrinated won’t let him live forever.
You may be on to something here! Yes, God is the ONLY one I fear.
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 1, 2014 at 3:47 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 3:29 pm)ronedee Wrote: (July 1, 2014 at 1:54 pm)Tonus Wrote: But you believe that humans are made in god's image. So what we are reflecting is his nature, isn't it? Yes... we are made in His image. Are things more clear now! Then if we aren't lifting a finger to help those in the greatest need, and doing random acts of kindness on occasion... we're behaving just like god, aren't we?
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 1, 2014 at 3:55 pm
Quote: You point a finger, but the other four point back at yourself, and those who would agree with that crap.
Actually 3  . Try it.
You still haven't answered the question of why God should answer your prayers but not theirs. You've given a few reasons why he wouldn't answer any prayers, and a few why he would answer all. I'm still hazy on why he's blessed you so often but they starve. Unless your answer was that they are not asking...
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 1, 2014 at 4:34 pm
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(July 1, 2014 at 3:29 pm)ronedee Wrote: You may be on to something here! Yes, God is the ONLY one I fear.
Need anyone say more? I hope you'll overcome your insecurities and one day examine your beliefs objectively, without all the emotional baggage they clearly evoke.
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 1, 2014 at 5:35 pm
(July 1, 2014 at 3:29 pm)ronedee Wrote: (July 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm)Strongbad Wrote: Based on all of the boot-licking and sycophantic ass-kissing that drips from every one of his posts, the answer is obvious: fear. He is deathly afraid that if he doesn’t believe “with all of his heart”, the god with which he has been indoctrinated won’t let him live forever.
You may be on to something here! Yes, God is the ONLY one I fear.
And…you are an explicit example of the fact that religions rely on two basic human emotions: fear and greed. You have fallen lock, stock, and barrel for the sales pitch. Prey upon the fear (of death), and pander to the greed (with immortality).
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 1, 2014 at 5:54 pm
Ronedee, your just a common preacher.
You go round in circles, never providing one single piece of evidence.
This is the reason you haven't been eaten alive yet, I suspect.
Because you don't present any threat at all.
Your full of crazy talk.
Why don't you go back to church and get someone smarter to come on.
Someone we can really sink out teeth into.
Your not even a snack. :-)
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 1, 2014 at 5:57 pm
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(July 1, 2014 at 3:29 pm)ronedee Wrote: What a bunch of hogwash!
You have no argument against God. You point a finger, but the other four point back at yourself, and those who would agree with that crap. What's a bunch of hogwash? I haven't misrepresented either my own responsibility to the suffering of others or any possible creator-gods. I'm holding both of us accountable, - because I consistently apply my principles. Why would I need an argument against god? I'm arguing -for- a god. A creator god, that made us(and this place) this way/cursed us (and this place) to be this way. In the balance, I just think that this creator god would be the bigger asshole than myself - on this particular issue.
I'm an anti-theist......arguing the anti-theist viewpoint. I don't feel like quibbling with you over some imagined atheist position - some "argument against god" you feel ought to be forthcoming. My point is that it's all pretty damn bad regardless bud. To explain to you why I would feel a little sick to my stomach -even if it were true.... I mean, what's the most generous reading of this whole guilty man thing anyway? That gods pet monkeys broke his machine...and that he hasn't bothered to fix it all this time (for whatever reason) and that thusly the pet monkeys really ought to be pointing the crooked finger at each other while giving god a special pass? Well, I think I'll pass on that -if we're giving out passes; but thank you for presenting it as an alternative.
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 1, 2014 at 9:42 pm
Ronedee,
GOD DID NOT MAKE MAN IN HIS IMAGE
MAN MADE GOD IN HIS IMAGE
it's very easy to mix up.
It's all in your head man! And you are too afraid to admit that it could be remotely possible.
That denial is not you talking. It's the brainwashing fighting with the little logic you have buried away in your subconscious. We not against you, we have no agenda to "sell". We just say things as we see them.
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Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
July 1, 2014 at 11:07 pm
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(June 28, 2014 at 7:58 pm)ronedee Wrote: (June 28, 2014 at 7:32 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Even one miracle ought to be evidence enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.....if you've had "many many" miracles occur to you or in your periphery it's going to be pretty easy to pick just one to demonstrate that fact, no?
Well... to be honest. They are very personal. I expect God to help me in all the small things. Which He does. And that can be explained away all day! But, some of the big miracles were things very close to my heart. And were life and death matters. And not just one, or 2. Several. And not explainable any other way.
But, I'm not thick skinned enough when it comes to my loved ones' life. I don't think anyone is.
You see, when miracles happen... friends and family find out, and ask for prayers. And the miracles keep happening!
The only thing we(my family) ask someone who asks for a miracle to do is "believe". Because w/o Faith.... it aint happening.
My wife and I were recently trying to think of one instance that God [didn't] answer our prayers in some way. And we though of only one. And it was someone who rejected them.
Its a really good thing that you believe in the "right" god. Those poor idiots who believe in the "wrong" god have all the bad shit happen to them. And just think of those poor saps who believe in no god at all... they have to actually use their brains to navigate through life. Good thing your god, the "right" god shut your brain down so you just couldn't look at the REAL reasons why things happen. He's sooo gracious like that isn't HE.
(June 30, 2014 at 9:09 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (June 30, 2014 at 8:28 pm)ronedee Wrote: So then..... how do you make the argument: "there is NO God"?
Generally speaking, most of us don't. But we do point out that you have no evidence in favor of god, let alone your specific flavor of god; that's entirely consistent with a position that accepts possibilities without accepting things as true without evidence.
Quote:In your own example there is more support in favor of Him!
"Things is big, therefore god"? Seriously?
Quote:As I've said many times here: "[If there is a God] does He not get to make the rules?"
It doesn't follow that he gets to make the rules just because he is god. I don't know about you,but I live in a democracy, and more importantly, I live in a society where authority is earned and can be taken away if it is misused. Why should god get an exemption?
Quote:No. You guys only have part of the picture. Only a postage stamp portion of a universe sized tapestry! It's like the monkey that will rip his own hand raw trying to get an apple into his cage.... when all he need do is put the apple to the bars and bite!
You all need to stop thinking like men. And think more like God!
If you have more of the picture you should be able to demonstrate it, rather than just asserting your own lofty superiority. 
Now you are just thinking too hard, cut it out and think like god... not at all.
(July 1, 2014 at 9:38 am)Irrational Wrote: (July 1, 2014 at 9:30 am)ronedee Wrote: You're not factoring in the people that don't want His help!
Poor people don't want his help? Children starving to death in Africa don't want God's help? Victims of earthquakes and other natural disasters don't want God's help? People with cancer don't wish God could relieve them of that suffering?
God hates people who are stupid enough to be born into a helpless circumstance or accidentally get caught in natural disasters. That's their fault not god's.
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