When those bugs return to life they are going to be really pissed at me for having killed them. All of the livestock I've eaten will also be in a murderous rage. Even the broccoli and peas will be mad.

(July 3, 2014 at 4:33 am)Irrational Wrote: Maybe not zombies they way they are understood. But Paul did talk about the resurrection of the body.

I don't like quoting the Bible, but the only reason I'm doing this is to disprove your claim.
"Our human bodies made from dust must be changed into a body that cannot be destroyed." 1 Corinthians 15:53
No zombies. Just the same stuff I've been talking about.
And Matthew 27 isn't religious doctrine. It's reporting an alleged event.

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(July 3, 2014 at 5:02 am)ignoramus Wrote: Guy, I know I'm stupid, but why even bother splitting hairs over technical details on anything written in the bible.

Nothing technical. Wyrd said that somebody said something and I said that said person did not. Period.

Re OP:

I actually believe in the possibility of an afterlife, and even I think that article is horse shit.

Quote:And even though it might not make sense to you now, after you die you understand that you had a great life, even the hard parts.

What about serial killers on death row?
Billions of starving children in Africa?
Victims of Flight 93?
Joseph Mengala?

Everybody is just supposedly the same and looks back on their life with pure satisfaction before enjoying perfect love and happy happy joy joy????


What a load of shit.

(July 3, 2014 at 7:44 pm)Purplundy Wrote:

(July 3, 2014 at 4:33 am)Irrational Wrote: Maybe not zombies they way they are understood. But Paul did talk about the resurrection of the body.

I don't like quoting the Bible, but the only reason I'm doing this is to disprove your claim.
"Our human bodies made from dust must be changed into a body that cannot be destroyed." 1 Corinthians 15:53
No zombies. Just the same stuff I've been talking about.

So you're saying that, after death, you believe eventually we will come back to life, right? That's what the verse is saying.

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Re OP:
"I actually believe in the possibility of an afterlife, and even I think that article is horse shit."

I think all atheists believe in the possibility of an afterlife. We're all open minded.
Just like we cannot discount the posibility of unicorns.
Possible, sure, why not? Probable, nup! Not without a scrap of evidence.

Zombies galore!!

(July 3, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Irrational Wrote: So you're saying that, after death, you believe eventually we will come back to life, right? That's what the verse is saying.

First of all, I don't believe anyone is coming back to life once they die. I'm saying that a 'part' of us (our soul, personhood, affect on the lives of other people) doesn't cease to exist once we die.
I would say that that's what the quote is saying. You might say otherwise. And, without contact with the author, we'd both find out what happens after we die long before the ensuing argument is resolved. Religious text tends to be up for interpretation.
What I'm hopefully putting across is that what happens after death is not necessarily an eternal soirée with Jesus according to religion.

Quote:What I'm hopefully putting across is that what happens after death is not necessarily an eternal soirée with Jesus according to religion.

Thank god.

(July 3, 2014 at 8:49 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Everybody is just supposedly the same and looks back on their life with pure satisfaction before enjoying perfect love and happy happy joy joy????

The following question is unrelated to your views on the afterlife,
but,
not to discount the suffering of anyone,
what if we simply assume that some people are less happy because our lives are better by comparison?
With the exception of regular people who suffer extreme tragedy, like the family members of the passengers of the doomed Malaysia Airlines flight,
people who are born into poor conditions do not necessarily wake up crying in the mornings.
You mentioned kids starving in Africa. I would like to disclose that I happen to have strong African roots. My parents are immigrants. I've also spent a few years in Nigeria, the country with the Islamic radical terrorists in half of the country.
If I had to spend the rest of my life in Africa, I'd shoot myself.
But then there are the people who permanently reside in this developing terrorist-infested nation with a middle-class that gets electricity half the day.
With my personal experience, I would fiercely argue that they do not feel that their lives are as bad as you might think.

(July 3, 2014 at 11:47 pm)Purplundy Wrote:

(July 3, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Irrational Wrote: So you're saying that, after death, you believe eventually we will come back to life, right? That's what the verse is saying.

First of all, I don't believe anyone is coming back to life once they die. I'm saying that a 'part' of us (our soul, personhood, affect on the lives of other people) doesn't cease to exist once we die.
I would say that that's what the quote is saying. You might say otherwise. And, without contact with the author, we'd both find out what happens after we die long before the ensuing argument is resolved. Religious text tends to be up for interpretation.
What I'm hopefully putting across is that what happens after death is not necessarily an eternal soirée with Jesus according to religion.

Not sure about Jesus, but according to Paul, it looks pretty clear what he meant:

1 Corinthians 15: 35-49
But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.