(July 4, 2014 at 12:52 pm)Lek Wrote: Yeah, but for most it takes about five seconds. Do you know of any that have more supporting evidence than christianity? If so, which one?

Nope, I don't know of any. I do, however, know of a few religions that have -just as much- supporting evidence.

All of them.

edit: nope...nope..I was wrong, cargo cults have more supporting evidence. Those people did -in point of objective fact- receive a "visitation from their gods". Their gods were capable of, and did - in point of objective fact- exactly what the adherents claimed they did and could do. We have pics and audio.

Thinking of converting?

@Lek

I'll tell you a little story. I was raised Christian (very Christian) but I never believed. I've given belief more than one serious try. The first time I was in my teens and our pastor suggested reading the Bible. I did. Cover to cover and with some hope. When I found problems, I began reading it in tandem with the NIV Commentary. In other words I read it with an apologist at my elbow. Didn't help.

The second time I read the Bible was in my 20s and I knew more about Roman and Egyption history by then, not to mention other god myths in the area. That was worse. It galvanized my atheism. The third time I read it in tandem with the contextual criticism and saw things I'd missed before. They showed not one but two melded gods in the Old Testament. By the last time, I knew more about astronomy, physics, and biology and that was the end.

So you see, I don't just think there is no god, I'm ready to show that The Bible itself is proof that the Christian one is wrong. Ditto the Mormon one, and the Jewish one. Can't do that to Allah, because I don't know the Koran well enough and I have no motivation to really read it.

No degree required, just reading and paying attention to what you read.

If some stray fact is true, then what I believe is true. I assert, without evidence, that the stray fact is true. Therefore what I believe is true. So easy for you to slice through us like a hot knife through butter. What chance do we have?

(July 4, 2014 at 4:05 pm)Jenny A Wrote: But anyone with a mind, and I'm sure you have one, is equipped to evaluate the claims of apologists.

I have to disagree here. I don't think anyone with a mind is "equipped to evaluate the claims of apologists." I think that need a mind and critical thinking skills. Everyone has the first. Not everyone has the latter.

(July 5, 2014 at 1:06 am)orangebox21 Wrote: The Biblical God cannot lie.
The Bible is the word(s) of God.
If the Biblical God cannot lie, then the words of the Biblical God are true.

I don't think any atheist here accepts the premises stated. The god in the Bible may be a liar, and the Bible is not accepted as God's word(s).

You know, I'm not gonna argue the lying god again. Done it to death and honestly quite tired of refuting the same arguments over and over again.

This bit here though:

(July 5, 2014 at 1:06 am)orangebox21 Wrote: Are you asserting that because humans can lie they are more powerful than the Biblical God?

Yep. I am going to assert that. Man is greater than gawd because he can do what gawd cannot (at least according to you and a 2000-year-old book of myths). Man can lie and gawd cannot. Man can commit adultery and gawd cannot. I would say that man can murder, but gawd managed quite a bit of that himself.

Since arguing about man doing bad things, even if gawd cannot, is kinda morbid, I'll argue some good things. Man can feed starving children in Africa, gawd does not. Man can work to rebuild cities ravaged by flood, gawd does not (according to some, it sent the storms that caused the floods). Man can lift up his fellow man, gawd does not (despite much attribution in it's name). Man can give up his very existence for his fellow man, gawd can not. Which leads to the final point, man can and does exist, the gawd of the buy-bull does not.

Your gawd is but a figment of man's imagination. There is no evidence whatsoever (no that ancient book of atrocities doesn't fucking count) for gawd, it's son, miracles, the efficacy of prayer, life after death or any of the other myths you wish to put forth.

If you would care to present some evidence I am more than willing to listen. Please note that the buy-bull isn't evidence. Neither is personal testimony. Anecdotal evidence is also right out. Bring something tangible. Testable, verifiable evidence or don't bother. We've heard all the bullshit before (over and over) and bullshit doesn't impress.

I think there is one god of the bible. The other so called gods are nothing but powerful demons of the biblical. But im an athiest. I dont believe in gods or the whole biblical thing. But thats what i think it is because i used to be a christian.

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And about letting them worship. Gawd gave them the bible so that they couldnt be lead on. Told the world about what he has done and will do, but never to happen.