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Cato · July 9, 2014 at 5:47 am

As usual, no evidence so let the preaching begin. Fucking gullible superstitious dolts will never learn.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 6:09 am by The Grand Nudger.)

It's a default subroutine that the user returns to whenever they encounter a critical error. Some folks just don't seem to be able to process it when their "well thought out" internal narratives vaporize in front of them. Others just take it in stride. Minds blown. Personally, I enjoy the experience, but to some - it's clearly not an option.

**popeyespappy** · July 10, 2014 at 8:33 am

(July 8, 2014 at 5:36 am)Cato Wrote:
(July 8, 2014 at 2:48 am)snowtracks Wrote: after moses was given instruction by God, he asked: who should i say sent me? the answer was 'I am who I am". in other words, God proves God.

Are you sure it's God? Sounds an awful lot like Popeye.

I don't remember my boy ever saying that.

**Mister Agenda** · July 10, 2014 at 10:14 am

People stick to religion in the face of reason and evidence for one simple reason: it is more important to them.

**Cyberman** · July 13, 2014 at 12:02 am

(July 9, 2014 at 6:09 am)Rhythm Wrote: It's a default subroutine that the user returns to whenever they encounter a critical error. Some folks just don't seem to be able to process it when their "well thought out" internal narratives vaporize in front of them. Others just take it in stride. Minds blown. Personally, I enjoy the experience, but to some - it's clearly not an option.

Do you wish to send an error report, snowy?

snowtracks · (This post was last modified: July 13, 2014 at 10:27 pm by snowtracks.)

(July 8, 2014 at 9:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote:
(July 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God existence is self-evident. 3 sources: book of science, book of scripture, and conscience ('man made in the image' is internally recognized). just one source exclusively seals the deal. so everyone has that knowledge.

Hardly. You need to look up the definition of self evident, "clearly true and requiring no proof or explanation." If god were self evident no proof but god itself would be required. Say sources and you've moved way beyond self-evident.

(July 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm)snowtracks Wrote: However, there are certain ones that never developed a spiritual discernment so to disarm that knowledge, they attempt to make-up intellectual pretenses.

Understanding others is often an exercise of imagination. Can you imagine believing in an all powerful being that sees your every move and controls everything. Now imagine saying to yourself, well if I just rationalize really well it will go away. Can't do it? Neither can I.

It's reason, not rationalization. There is no god to fear.

I still "am who I am." Ready to believe I'm god yet? Thought not.

what I believe is: there is some taunting going on here.

(July 13, 2014 at 12:02 am)Stimbo Wrote:
(July 9, 2014 at 6:09 am)Rhythm Wrote: It's a default subroutine that the user returns to whenever they encounter a critical error. Some folks just don't seem to be able to process it when their "well thought out" internal narratives vaporize in front of them. Others just take it in stride. Minds blown. Personally, I enjoy the experience, but to some - it's clearly not an option.

Do you wish to send an error report, snowy?

what science demand is adequate evidence not absolute proof. to have absolute proof lies beyond human reach since it demands complete knowledge of anything in the universe which is impossible because humans are within and part of the universe. so what it comes down is practical proof. for instance gravity, we accept the truth of gravity based on sufficient testing and observation. the biblical God invites a testing that's based on logic and testable facts which will result in a biblical faith based on objective evidence.

**Jenny A** · July 14, 2014 at 2:04 am

(July 13, 2014 at 9:57 pm)snowtracks Wrote:
(July 8, 2014 at 9:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Hardly. You need to look up the definition of self evident, "clearly true and requiring no proof or explanation." If god were self evident no proof but god itself would be required. Say sources and you've moved way beyond self-evident.

Understanding others is often an exercise of imagination. Can you imagine believing in an all powerful being that sees your every move and controls everything. Now imagine saying to yourself, well if I just rationalize really well it will go away. Can't do it? Neither can I.

It's reason, not rationalization. There is no god to fear.

I still "am who I am." Ready to believe I'm god yet? Thought not.
what I believe is: there is some taunting going on here.

Noticed the taunt did you? Well maybe it will remind you in future that some attempts to prove god are beyond silly. They are insulting.

What you are arguing is that those who don't believe in your god are willfully blind. Yes I know it's scripture. But read the bolded part above. Now ask yourself, is god really self evident to those who don't believe?

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: July 14, 2014 at 2:10 am by The Grand Nudger.)

(July 13, 2014 at 9:57 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the biblical God invites a testing that's based on logic and testable facts which will result in a biblical faith based on objective evidence.

You've just made the god claim falsifiable (congratulations), and conveniently.....that experiment has been run by many on the boards. If you want to keep the pretense of "logic and testable fact", you'll have to acknowledge that at some point. Kind of turns the last half of that sentence into gibberish though.

**Esquilax** · July 14, 2014 at 6:06 am

(July 13, 2014 at 9:57 pm)snowtracks Wrote: what science demand is adequate evidence not absolute proof. to have absolute proof lies beyond human reach since it demands complete knowledge of anything in the universe which is impossible because humans are within and part of the universe. so what it comes down is practical proof. for instance gravity, we accept the truth of gravity based on sufficient testing and observation. the biblical God invites a testing that's based on logic and testable facts which will result in a biblical faith based on objective evidence.

Excuse me? What part of "it's just self evident! Shut up!" is logical to you? Dodgy

snowtracks · July 14, 2014 at 10:52 pm

(July 14, 2014 at 6:06 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(July 13, 2014 at 9:57 pm)snowtracks Wrote: what science demand is adequate evidence not absolute proof. to have absolute proof lies beyond human reach since it demands complete knowledge of anything in the universe which is impossible because humans are within and part of the universe. so what it comes down is practical proof. for instance gravity, we accept the truth of gravity based on sufficient testing and observation. the biblical God invites a testing that's based on logic and testable facts which will result in a biblical faith based on objective evidence.

Excuse me? What part of "it's just self evident! Shut up!" is logical to you?

as it turns out, even your top echelon guy is not that sure of himself anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-SuMWakNxI

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