(July 20, 2014 at 5:50 pm)Insanity Wrote:

(July 20, 2014 at 5:26 pm)Blackout Wrote: And what defines my opinion as stupid? Just because I don't think visually attractive a top the size of a bra? I think the same for piercings, dyed hair with strong colours, excess of make up, and excessive promiscuity.

I think its stupid to think its immoral to have sex with lots of people. Ill advised? maybe. Immoral? Why the fuck would it be? I have no issue at all with you having a preference to one thing or another, I find it ridiculous to say something is immoral when it harms nobody.

More than anything I can't stand it when somebody gets pissy because somebody criticized their opinion. You're not a child, people are allowed to disagree with you. You are entitled to say or think whatever you want. Its only fair that others can do the same with what you have said.

I get pissed when people think I'm not entitled to my own morality. If I consider sexuality should be done only with emotional attachment, then all other sex acts will be immoral to me, it doesn't mean they are immoral for others. It's not the case, just giving an example. And yeah, I don't consider having sex with a lot of partners moral, I wouldn't do it, but I don't care about others doing it either... So are you telling me I can't hold my morality like this? Seems an imposition to say the least.

Yea come on Blackout, having consensual sex with 20 people a week isn't immoral, it's not moral either.

(July 20, 2014 at 5:53 pm)Blackout Wrote: I get pissed when people think I'm not entitled to my own morality. If I consider sexuality should be done only with emotional attachment, then all other sex acts will be immoral to me, it doesn't mean they are immoral for others. It's not the case, just giving an example. And yeah, I don't consider having sex with a lot of partners moral, I wouldn't do it, but I don't care about others doing it either...

Sure, you are. I'm also entitled to say your morality is retarded. Though in reality I think you have the lines crossed between morality and personal preference.

I really don't think you're getting this.

(July 20, 2014 at 5:20 pm)Blackout Wrote:

(July 20, 2014 at 5:12 pm)Losty Wrote: Almost.

What the hell does naiveté mean in this context? And don't come telling me I have to approve certain social conducts just because they are legal, I can consider immoral everything I want.

Indeed you can consider immoral anything you want. When you, in the same breath, claim you will not engage in slut-shaming then proceed to do so by proclaiming some sexual activities immoral, it exposes your naiveté.

(July 20, 2014 at 5:56 pm)Insanity Wrote:

(July 20, 2014 at 5:53 pm)Blackout Wrote: I get pissed when people think I'm not entitled to my own morality. If I consider sexuality should be done only with emotional attachment, then all other sex acts will be immoral to me, it doesn't mean they are immoral for others. It's not the case, just giving an example. And yeah, I don't consider having sex with a lot of partners moral, I wouldn't do it, but I don't care about others doing it either...

Sure, you are. I'm also entitled to say your morality is retarded. Though in reality I think you have the lines crossed between morality and personal preference.

I really don't think you're getting this.

So if something doesn't fit my morality it's just a personal preference? Meh you're the one missing it.

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(July 20, 2014 at 5:57 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(July 20, 2014 at 5:20 pm)Blackout Wrote: What the hell does naiveté mean in this context? And don't come telling me I have to approve certain social conducts just because they are legal, I can consider immoral everything I want.

Indeed you can consider immoral anything you want. When you, in the same breath, claim you will not engage in slut-shaming then proceed to do so by proclaiming some sexual activities immoral, it exposes your naiveté.

It expresses my personal opinion, not what society should think, where's the slut shaming on that one? I could even consider a plastic surgery immoral as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't mean I'm shaming people who take plastic surgeries.

(July 20, 2014 at 5:58 pm)Blackout Wrote: So if something doesn't fit my morality it's just a personal preference? Meh you're the one missing it.

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Choosing not to have sex with lots of people is a choice, a preference. So yes. It can also be a moral choice sure, if you choose not to do it because it will harm others, sure. The way it came across is that you don't think people should be doing it. The act of having sex with a large number of people just isn't immoral in and of itself. Its only when you add external factors that it could even be considered one or the other.

My point, not fucking around because you don't feel its for you: preference

Not fucking around because you are already in a relationship and it would hurt your partner: Perhaps a moral choice.

(July 20, 2014 at 6:04 pm)Insanity Wrote: [quote='Blackout' pid='713285' dateline='1405893481']
So if something doesn't fit my morality it's just a personal preference? Meh you're the one missing it.

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Quote:Choosing not to have sex with lots of people is a choice, a preference. So yes. It can also be a moral choice sure, if you choose not to do it because it will harm others, sure. The way it came across is that you don't think people should be doing it. The act of having sex with a large number of people just isn't immoral in and of itself. Its only when you add external factors that it could even be considered one or the other.

I think people should do what they want to do, I don't give a fuck, I just am not forced to approve it, but you can have sex with everyone you wish, I won't care about it

Quote:My point, not fucking around because you don't feel its for you: preference

Not fucking around because you are already in a relationship and it would hurt your partner: Perhaps a moral choice.

To me the last option applies. So if I don't want to date a woman because she had too many partners in my optic, is just a personal preference? Don't you think there's some morality involved?

If I consider sexual relationships are a moment of huge intimacy that should be shared with another individual only when there is certainty or emotional attachment and not merely by fun, then I can consider immoral to have sex with a lot of people. It doesn't mean I impose my morality. So where's the problem? It's the same of losing virginity very early, I could consider it immoral because there is not enough maturity or emotional attachment, it doesn't mean I will force teens to abstain from sex. You got it wrong when you thought I was imposing my morality.

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(July 20, 2014 at 5:54 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Yea come on Blackout, having consensual sex with 20 people a week isn't immoral, it's not moral either.

It's indifferent to me, you can have sex with whom you want too, I just don't find reasons for me to do it. I wouldn't date someone who had sex with lots of partners either, is there anything wrong with it? I don't care about the label morality or personal preference. I still don't like the idea of doing it

(July 20, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Blackout Wrote: I think people should do what they want to do, I don't give a fuck, I just am not forced to approve it, but you can have sex with everyone you wish, I won't care about it

Well your either being inconsistant or unclear. You started by saying:

Blackout Wrote: I think it's immoral for someone to have sex with 20 people a week that doesn't mean I'm slut shaming anyone

That implies that you do care what others do. You are placing your odd sense of morality on others.

(July 20, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Blackout Wrote: To me the last option applies. So if I don't want to date a woman because she had too many partners in my optic, is just a personal preference? Don't you think there's some morality involved?

Yes thats a preference 100% not a moral choice.

(July 20, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Blackout Wrote: If I consider sexual relationships are a moment of huge intimacy that should be shared with another individual only when there is certainty or emotional attachment and not merely by fun, then I can consider immoral to have sex with a lot of people. It doesn't mean I impose my morality. So where's the problem?

Its not a problem, if that's the way you feel whatever. You are however stating an opinion on a public forum for discussion, you aren't exempt from criticism. I think your idea that its morally wrong to sleep with multiple people is daft, others naive. You suddenly started acting like people shouldn't criticize.

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Oh, and its also a preference..

Quote:I think it's immoral for someone to have sex with 20 people a week that doesn't mean I'm slut shaming anyone

Quote:That implies that you do care what others do. You are placing your odd sense of morality on others.

I expressed myself poorly. I think it is immoral from my perspective, I wouldn't like doing it, but if others consider it moral then it's up to them

Quote:Its not a problem, if that's the way you feel whatever. You are however stating an opinion on a public forum for discussion, you aren't exempt from criticism. I think your idea that its morally wrong to sleep with multiple people is daft, others naive. You suddenly started acting like people shouldn't criticize.

I thank critics if they are constructive, but you calling my morality retarded is not going to improve anything and will only serve to bring up a conflict if I wasn't such a collected calm person. You can critique all you want, I don't care if it's a personal preference or sexual morality, I still think we should classify it as the latter, and I don't see any reason not to. Even if we used the expression 'personal preference' there are causes for preferences, some merely aesthetically, others could be related to morality and ethics, even if it was a personal preference it could have a morality cause, have you heard of sexual morality? If someone thought anal sex is immoral, what is wrong with that? If they think it's immoral, they don't practice it, it's simple, the same could be applied to oral sex, threesomes, eg I could say a threesome is sexually immoral if it's with my girlfriend since we are sharing our intimacy with a third party (I don't consider this immoral, it's actually she who thinks like this). So what's wrong in having my own thinking if I'm not forcing it into others?

What you're doing here is saying I can't think something is sexually immoral just because the law allows it. I don't have a problem with it, I simply don't approve it, but you can do as you please

Your morality doesn't make sense. Morals exist because we don't live in a vacuum. Things that actually hurt other people are deemed immoral. Having sex with lots of people doesn't hurt anyone and that is why it isn't immoral. I wouldn't want to have sex with a person that has sex 20 times a week either but thats got nothing to do with morality. They probably have an std, plus any woman who has sex that often is either a hooker or has something wrong with them. And thats why your morality doesn't make sense.