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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 7, 2014 at 2:19 am
(August 1, 2014 at 10:51 am)rasetsu Wrote:
If "the book of nature" isn't what science says it is, then from where do you get your information about what "the book of nature" says?
science provides the means (e.g., cosmology, biochemistry) to interpret nature, but at any given point in time, that interpretation could be faulty or incomplete.
Also, when both books (nature, and revelation) appear to disagree, somewhere the interpretation is faulty. for instance, any scientific model that didn't posit that the universe had a beginning in finite time, and that space and time beginnings didn't coincide with the beginning of the physical universe were wrong. the book of revelation stands alone as the one source that stated the physical universe is a transcendent miracle that involved an act God outside the laws of physics and the space-time dimensions. now, both books agree with the big bang model(s).
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 7, 2014 at 2:34 am
(August 7, 2014 at 2:19 am)snowtracks Wrote: the book of revelation stands alone as the one source that stated the physical universe is a transcendent miracle that involved an act God outside the laws of physics and the space-time dimensions. now, both books agree with the big bang model(s).
That's funny. I don't remember anything in Big Bang cosmology about magical sky daddies outside of time and space. I could have overlooked that part.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 7, 2014 at 8:01 am
(August 7, 2014 at 2:19 am)snowtracks Wrote: science provides the means (e.g., cosmology, biochemistry) to interpret nature, but at any given point in time, that interpretation could be faulty or incomplete. But that's just the argument from ignorance. 'We don't know, so my theory might be true, no matter how impossible or insane it sounds.' That's not the kind of thinking that got us this far; it's the kind of thinking we have had to debunk, time and again, in order to gain more knowledge and understanding. That anyone would continue to try to fill the gaps in our knowledge with the sort of silliness that has NEVER added to that knowledge is just crazy.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 7, 2014 at 8:35 am
(August 7, 2014 at 2:19 am)snowtracks Wrote: science provides the means (e.g., cosmology, biochemistry) to interpret nature, but at any given point in time, that interpretation could be faulty or incomplete.
Also, when both books (nature, and revelation) appear to disagree, somewhere the interpretation is faulty. for instance, any scientific model that didn't posit that the universe had a beginning in finite time, and that space and time beginnings didn't coincide with the beginning of the physical universe were wrong. the book of revelation stands alone as the one source that stated the physical universe is a transcendent miracle that involved an act God outside the laws of physics and the space-time dimensions. now, both books agree with the big bang model(s).
And if we found out tomorrow that the big bang theory was completely wrong, you would fuckin' change your opinion on all this in a second to keep the bible in line with science. 
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 7, 2014 at 8:52 am
(August 7, 2014 at 2:19 am)snowtracks Wrote: Also, when both books (nature, and revelation) appear to disagree, somewhere the interpretation is faulty.
Your revelation book is quite clear regarding the existence of light on Earth existing before the creation of the sun and other stars. The book of nature says otherwise. Where's the interpretive error here?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 7, 2014 at 8:54 am
(August 7, 2014 at 2:19 am)snowtracks Wrote: (August 1, 2014 at 10:51 am)rasetsu Wrote: If "the book of nature" isn't what science says it is, then from where do you get your information about what "the book of nature" says? science provides the means (e.g., cosmology, biochemistry) to interpret nature, but at any given point in time, that interpretation could be faulty or incomplete.
Also, when both books (nature, and revelation) appear to disagree, somewhere the interpretation is faulty.
Are you suggesting that your interpretation of the bible might be faulty?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 7, 2014 at 12:03 pm
(August 7, 2014 at 2:19 am)snowtracks Wrote: science provides the means (e.g., cosmology, biochemistry) to interpret nature, but at any given point in time, that interpretation could be faulty or incomplete.
Using our powers of observation in a controlled fashion to try to limit bias can be unreliable, but believing in a very particular brand of non-falsifiable woo is the really real deal!
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 9, 2014 at 2:16 am
(August 7, 2014 at 8:52 am)Cato Wrote: (August 7, 2014 at 2:19 am)snowtracks Wrote: Also, when both books (nature, and revelation) appear to disagree, somewhere the interpretation is faulty.
Your revelation book is quite clear regarding the existence of light on Earth existing before the creation of the sun and other stars. The book of nature says otherwise. Where's the interpretive error here? before genesis day 1, the frame of reference for the narrative is the earth's surface. Day 1 (epoch of time) starts with 'let there be light'. until then, the earth atmosphere zone was opaque due to the sun's disk of dust and other materials. after some time, gravity had pulled this material sufficiently together to form the earth which changed the earth's atmosphere zone to translucent allowing the sun light to reach the earth's surface.
Electromagnetic radiation was brought into the cosmos 13 billion years ago.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 9, 2014 at 2:24 am
The problem with looking out into space is that it's extremely difficult to distinguish between what might be real and what is an illusion. So where do you draw the line between reality and illusion?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 9, 2014 at 8:40 am
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I think you might wanna stick to "godidit" Snow, and just let it hang at that. You butchered your own explanation there.........
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