Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[snowtracks]

[Ryantology]

the book of revelation stands alone as the one source that stated the physical universe is a transcendent miracle that involved an act God outside the laws of physics and the space-time dimensions. now, both books agree with the big bang model(s).

That's funny. I don't remember anything in Big Bang cosmology about magical sky daddies outside of time and space. I could have overlooked that part.

[Tonus]

science provides the means (e.g., cosmology, biochemistry) to interpret nature, but at any given point in time, that interpretation could be faulty or incomplete.

But that's just the argument from ignorance. 'We don't know, so my theory might be true, no matter how impossible or insane it sounds.' That's not the kind of thinking that got us this far; it's the kind of thinking we have had to debunk, time and again, in order to gain more knowledge and understanding. That anyone would continue to try to fill the gaps in our knowledge with the sort of silliness that has NEVER added to that knowledge is just crazy.

[Esquilax]

science provides the means (e.g., cosmology, biochemistry) to interpret nature, but at any given point in time, that interpretation could be faulty or incomplete.
Also, when both books (nature, and revelation) appear to disagree, somewhere the interpretation is faulty. for instance, any scientific model that didn't posit that the universe had a beginning in finite time, and that space and time beginnings didn't coincide with the beginning of the physical universe were wrong. the book of revelation stands alone as the one source that stated the physical universe is a transcendent miracle that involved an act God outside the laws of physics and the space-time dimensions. now, both books agree with the big bang model(s).

And if we found out tomorrow that the big bang theory was completely wrong, you would fuckin' change your opinion on all this in a second to keep the bible in line with science.

[Cato]

Also, when both books (nature, and revelation) appear to disagree, somewhere the interpretation is faulty.

Your revelation book is quite clear regarding the existence of light on Earth existing before the creation of the sun and other stars. The book of nature says otherwise. Where's the interpretive error here?

[Angrboda]

If "the book of nature" isn't what science says it is, then from where do you get your information about what "the book of nature" says?

science provides the means (e.g., cosmology, biochemistry) to interpret nature, but at any given point in time, that interpretation could be faulty or incomplete.
Also, when both books (nature, and revelation) appear to disagree, somewhere the interpretation is faulty.

Are you suggesting that your interpretation of the bible might be faulty?

[RobbyPants]

[snowtracks]

Also, when both books (nature, and revelation) appear to disagree, somewhere the interpretation is faulty.

Your revelation book is quite clear regarding the existence of light on Earth existing before the creation of the sun and other stars. The book of nature says otherwise. Where's the interpretive error here?

before genesis day 1, the frame of reference for the narrative is the earth's surface. Day 1 (epoch of time) starts with 'let there be light'. until then, the earth atmosphere zone was opaque due to the sun's disk of dust and other materials. after some time, gravity had pulled this material sufficiently together to form the earth which changed the earth's atmosphere zone to translucent allowing the sun light to reach the earth's surface.
Electromagnetic radiation was brought into the cosmos 13 billion years ago.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The problem with looking out into space is that it's extremely difficult to distinguish between what might be real and what is an illusion. So where do you draw the line between reality and illusion?

[The Grand Nudger]

I think you might wanna stick to "godidit" Snow, and just let it hang at that. You butchered your own explanation there.........