(August 7, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:To me, it doesn't matter how useful I am now. As long as I am unable to live a life of pure choices and such as well as a promised afterlife, I am inferior. It doesn't matter how useful I am, as long as I am inferior, this is the reason why I consider myself and life worthless.(August 7, 2014 at 12:08 pm)Mozart Link Wrote: Even if you did become a better person, it would of all been gained for nothing since you would just lose it all in the end anyway by dying of old age. As for being an inspiration to others through your betterment, these others would also just die in the end as well anyway.
But it is meaningful to him and his loved ones NOW. It doesn't matter that there is no meaning after he dies.
That's like saying that you won't take care of your car now, because someday it will rot, rust and be useless. The car is useful NOW.
Please spare us from more of your nihilistic, existential angst.
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People with nice lives who think they're blessed
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  (August 7, 2014 at 2:47 pm)Mozart Link Wrote:(August 7, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: But it is meaningful to him and his loved ones NOW. It doesn't matter that there is no meaning after he dies.To me, it doesn't matter how useful I am now. As long as I am unable to live a life of pure choices and such as well as a promised afterlife, I am inferior. It doesn't matter how useful I am, as long as I am inferior, this is the reason why I consider myself and life worthless. Congratulations.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson  (August 7, 2014 at 2:47 pm)Mozart Link Wrote: To me, it doesn't matter how useful I am now. As long as I am unable to live a life of pure choices and such as well as a promised afterlife, I am inferior. It doesn't matter how useful I am, as long as I am inferior, this is the reason why I consider myself and life worthless. Can't decide which smilie to go with, so here is the range of my responses:   
I'm tempted to ask "inferior to what?".
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson  (August 7, 2014 at 2:47 pm)Mozart Link Wrote: To me, it doesn't matter how useful I am now. As long as I am unable to live a life of pure choices and such as well as a promised afterlife, I am inferior. It doesn't matter how useful I am, as long as I am inferior, this is the reason why I consider myself and life worthless. Yeah, we get that. But it was obvious from LostLocke's response to your OP that he doesn't feel that way. None of us here besides you feels that way. Life is rare and precious. It took billions of years, the death of billions of stars, and the right conditions for it to happen. Take advantage of it, don't regret that you are one of the rare ones. You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. (August 7, 2014 at 3:03 pm)Mozart Link Wrote:(August 7, 2014 at 2:57 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'm tempted to ask "inferior to what?".I am inferior to my ideal self (the person I wish I was which would be me having pure joy/empowerment and living a life of pure choice and such with a promised afterlife as well). So..as long as you aren't your perfect vision, life isn't worth living?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson 
If you teach yourself that life is inherently unfair and that you won't get ahead unless you are fated to... you almost certainly won't get ahead. When you come to realize that you have an inordinate amount of influence on how your life goes, you are much more likely to get the life that you want. Those two mindsets are not compatible; one must be rejected completely in order to allow the other to have an effect.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould 
Mozart,
You're full of shit.  RE: People with nice lives who think they're blessed
August 7, 2014 at 3:22 pm
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