(August 12, 2014 at 7:59 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(August 12, 2014 at 7:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: That would be consistent with the bible now, wouldn't it?

Did God not appear to Moses as a burning bush? Did he not lead the Hebrews out of Egypt as a pillar of fire? Did he not appear to Paul as a blinding light?

Are you agreeing with me that your religion is a bait and switch scam?

Besides, why are we discussing a book now? Weren't we talking about a god before?

(August 12, 2014 at 7:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Not to mention what I posted has been scientifically vindicated.

Submitting evidence isn't a checkmate move. You don't get to play the cards (I don't play chess ) and automatically win. The next step is examing the evidence to determine if it holds up to review. If it doesn't, well that's not our problem.

Your evidence has been examined and found wanting. Next!

(August 12, 2014 at 7:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Please elaborate on what you would consider as "evidence"?

Whatever you feel substantiates your claim.

so scientific analysis by a world renowned forensic investigator is not enough evidence for you? Noted.

by the way, what are your credentials?

I didn't say "scientific analysis by a world renowned forensic investigator is not enough evidence for" me. Don't you dare put words into my mouth.

First off, if you want to cite authority figures, you have to establish that their opinion is worth considering. The truth or otherwise of what they say is not dictated by their renown. What counts, all that counts, is their work. You presented their work as declaring victory. Bad Wolf already cast doubt on your equvocation of faith healing and the placebo effect, but I'll take the pitch if you like (I don't play baseball either).

If faith healing is nothing more than the placebo effect, then we're done here. Placebos, as I understand it, do have a role to play in conventional treatment of certain illnesses. To equate that with the claims of faith healers is not only farcical, it's also insulting to anyone who has ever suffered from or lost someone to life-threatening illness and injury. It's on a par with going up to a crash victim suffering from multiple lacerations and internal injuries, giving them two aspirin and telling them to walk it off and they'll feel better.

Faith healing is bullshit and costs lives.

I'll say it one more time: if what you present doesn't stand up to the pressures of examination even slightly, stop whining about it. Get better evidence. Or better claims.

divorced and remarried Christians. Could you be wrong ??


Damn, they gotta think about it, don't they ?? Just because their minister made sure marriage #2 was oakally doakally, there'd have to be some doubt that Reverend Felcher does NOT know better than Jesus Christ.

How could they fail to entertain the idea their entire marriage isn't just a big sinful cesspool of ADULTERY ??

(August 12, 2014 at 7:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: They are the same, but go ahead and explain how they are different.

And by "same" I'm mean they operate under the same principle. ..belief.

No, faith healing is when someone gets healed by the power of god. The placebo effect is not caused by gods power. Therefore, they aren't the same.

(August 2, 2014 at 7:00 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Maybe the One True Faith has never been instigated on earth ever ?


We die and are adjudicated by the Tribune of Wrtplvcdsqu as having failed to rgtuvre the lklkgfdw properly.

Sucks to be all of us.

BTW, I can't be the first to come up with the possibility there is a 'One True Faith' in our universe but no human being has ever described it yet.

So what do you call that ??

Quote:Did God not appear to Moses as a burning bush? Did he not lead the Hebrews out of Egypt as a pillar of fire? Did he not appear to Paul as a blinding light?

I've heard it rumored that there are idiots who believe so.

(August 12, 2014 at 10:21 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:

(August 2, 2014 at 7:00 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Maybe the One True Faith has never been instigated on earth ever ?


We die and are adjudicated by the Tribune of Wrtplvcdsqu as having failed to rgtuvre the lklkgfdw properly.

Sucks to be all of us.

BTW, I can't be the first to come up with the possibility there is a 'One True Faith' in our universe but no human being has ever described it yet.

So what do you call that ??

I call that "Suspicion of precedence". But if you're asking what the other is, I'd call that something like...

Hmm.

Perhaps something like "Being in a State of Pre-dissemination of True Religion".

Or some other mouthful of lofty words.

Have I just united all of humanity in the disbelief of the One True Faith ??



Are we done here now? Can we go back to just looking at weird porn ?

(August 12, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(August 12, 2014 at 7:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: They are the same, but go ahead and explain how they are different.

And by "same" I'm mean they operate under the same principle. ..belief.

No, faith healing is when someone gets healed by the power of god. The placebo effect is not caused by gods power. Therefore, they aren't the same.

This. Trying to equate faith healing with the placebo effect just reeks of desperation, to me. But Huggy, if you're content with admitting that faith healing doesn't work as intended- by appealing to a supernatural source for healing- and just works because it's a con that fools gullible people into thinking they should be getting better then... fine.

But that's not evidence for a god. And I'd like to see you admit that the reason you think faith healing works is because it's conning people. Because that's exactly what you're saying, when you make that comparison.

Is someone actually trying to prove the existence of god by the acts of "Faith healing"? My, my, someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one.

The toast is next?