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Christians. Could you be wrong?
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Which is also not supported by the article he cited. False equivocation is false.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (August 13, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Which is also not supported by the article he cited. False equivocation is false. Well, there is one get out clause. He could, in a roundabout way, be trying to prove that faith healing is not a result of the influence of a god or gods.
Well there's certainly not been a shred of evidence for any gods so far, that's for sure. He's still trying to equate faith in a medical treatment, however genuine, with blind faith in general. He's building a case for mind over matter in a literal sense.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
August 13, 2014 at 5:56 pm
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(August 13, 2014 at 5:49 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:(August 13, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Which is also not supported by the article he cited. False equivocation is false. once again for your benefit, since you apparently didn't see what I posted. Back on page 3 of this thread I made this clear from the beginning. (August 13, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Also as a side note, faith has nothing to do with religion, anyone is capable of having faith, as documented by the "placebo effect".
Faith as in a reasonable expectation that a drug treatment is going to work is not even close to faith in - well, what, exactly? What is the point you're trying to make? If you made it, I clearly missed it.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
August 13, 2014 at 6:09 pm
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(August 13, 2014 at 5:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(August 13, 2014 at 5:49 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Well, there is one get out clause. He could, in a roundabout way, be trying to prove that faith healing is not a result of the influence of a god or gods. I did see it numbnuts. So, are you really going to tell us that your entire reason for being on this thread is to just reiterate what a placebo is but write about in such a way as to subtly indicate that god is the cause but to squirm away when questioned on it? Yes, what is the point here? Please elucidate. Because currently the only conclusion that we can draw from, what, 21 pages, is that people don't fully know the mechanisms behind the efficacy of the placebo effect. You know, that conclusion that anyone even remotely aware of the placebo effect can draw. 
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope?
I don't have faith in anything. And if it turned out I did, and you pointed that out to me, I would stop beleiving it.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech  (August 13, 2014 at 4:27 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: And as others have pointed out, calling the placebo effect evidence of your god's intervention is pretty weak. I'm comfortable with my skeptical view of faith healing. If you are comfortbale with your view of faith healing, I trust that when you get cancer you'll not attend the doctor's office? I trust that you avoid medicine when you are ill? I mean, if you truly believe faith healing works, go with it, that's what I say. RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
August 13, 2014 at 6:26 pm
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(August 13, 2014 at 6:09 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:(August 13, 2014 at 5:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: once again for your benefit, since you apparently didn't see what I posted. How do you figure i'm squirming away when i clearly established my position from the beginning. My point was that faith healing was real and corroborated by scientific studies on the "placebo effect". Faith has absolutely nothing to do with God or religion but is simply defined in the bible as "the substance of things hoped for". (August 13, 2014 at 6:15 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: I don't have faith in anything. And if it turned out I did, and you pointed that out to me, I would stop beleiving it. Let me ask you something, do you own a car? (August 13, 2014 at 6:09 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:(August 13, 2014 at 5:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: once again for your benefit, since you apparently didn't see what I posted. Did you really just edit your post, in order to call me a numbnuts? lol RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
August 13, 2014 at 6:38 pm
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(August 13, 2014 at 6:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(August 13, 2014 at 6:09 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: So, are you really going to tell us that your entire reason for being on this thread is to just reiterate what a placebo is but write about in such a way as to subtly indicate that god is the cause but to squirm away when questioned on it? So how do you explain nocebos occurring during placebo studies? Or the reverse? Placebos are not a defined mechanism whereby the wishes of the patient are automatically translated into a regression of symptoms or indeed a 'cure'. Indeed, as I've already stated to you and you ignored, the presence of a placebo in the absence of a physical active ingredient that causes the hypothesised effect is actually evidence of no physical effect. That's why double blind studies are conducted. Quote:Did you really just edit your post, in order to call me a numbnuts? lol I realised I hadn't represented reality to my full knowledge in the post cited, yes. |
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