(July 26, 2014 at 10:49 am)Blackout Wrote:

(July 26, 2014 at 10:19 am)Insanity Wrote: I think they have embraced that they have lost this one. You'll always get a few lagging behind but in all its far more damaging socially to be openly homophobic than it is to be gay.

Homophobics haven't lost the war. Look at Uganda

Well if we're going on the whole world, instead of our country, I'd say slavers haven't lost the war either, but I'm more concerned about my country than others. Fix your own problems before trying to fix others.

(August 21, 2014 at 4:58 pm)Diablo Wrote: You're absolutely right. It's impossible to answer rubbish. You just dump it in the trash.

Calling something rubbish does not make it so. This is such a simple question, and yet it seems to stump you. If all that exists is matter, and people are just organized matter, why is it morally wrong for organized matter to destroy or disorganize other matter? When the questions of a child can stump your view of reality, it’s time to change your view of reality.

(August 21, 2014 at 5:09 pm)Losty Wrote: Well then maybe you should amend your assertion to say most, many, or some atheists hate god.
Then after that maybe you could provide some proof or evidence to back up your assertion.

You did not provide any evidence to support your assertion that you do not hate God. Read any book by the “New Atheists” they all despise God, even so much as to call him childish names. It’s rather amusing actually.

(August 21, 2014 at 9:00 pm)Tonus Wrote: I was feeling paradoxical.

You’ll always be one of my favorites on here.

(August 21, 2014 at 9:26 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I don't think atheists hate God any more than they hate magic space monkeys.

Where are the forums and online communities dedicated to the lack of belief in the existence of space monkeys? Fallacious analogy.

Quote: They mock the idea of God, and hate that there exist in this world people stupid enough to read the Bible, think for a second, and say, "Yeah. . . that makes sense."

Why would believing the Bible demonstrate that someone is stupid? That’s a rather…well downright stupid thing to say.

Quote: They may also hate people who knock on their door early in the morning asking if they've "heard the good news." Does anyone, EVER, say, "Hmmm. . . Who's this Jesus guy? Never heard of him-- tell me more." No. The correct response is something like: "Fuckhead, get off my porch and start running, because I have an assfull of birdshot with your name on it."

You’d shoot someone for knocking on your door? That’s well….stupid. I guess that’s just the difference between Christians and atheists, a couple from the Watch Tower knocked on my door earlier this Summer and instead of threatening to shoot them I had a very nice and civil discussion with them.

Quote:You did not provide any evidence to support your assertion that you do not hate God. Read any book by the “New Atheists” they all despise God, even so much as to call him childish names. It’s rather amusing actually.

Are you really trotting out the "atheists hate god" nonsense? The definition of atheism is a lack of belief in a god, so an atheist cannot hate god. Atheists can hate the idea of god, but what you are saying is a contradiction in terms.

(August 27, 2014 at 4:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: You did not provide any evidence to support your assertion that you do not hate God. Read any book by the “New Atheists” they all despise God, even so much as to call him childish names. It’s rather amusing actually.

Seriously, Staler, I thought you were above the old canard that atheists 'hate God'. Not much above it, but still above it.

I disbelieve in Shiva, Ahura-Mazda, Vishnu, and every other god posited. Do I hate all those also?

By the way, you also disbelieve in all those other gods. Why do much hate toward them, Statler?

(July 26, 2014 at 10:11 am)vodkafan Wrote: Is that there is much less discussion of same sex marriage than I would have thought coming from the religious on this forum.
Which indicates to me that it is no longer a big deal. People are marrying who they want and the sky is not falling in, the world is still turning about the sun.
Christians and others have grudgingly accepted it...?

Anyone do the 'that's the problem with marriage, the sex is always the same' gag yet?

MM

(August 27, 2014 at 4:55 pm)Tobie Wrote: Are you really trotting out the "atheists hate god" nonsense? The definition of atheism is a lack of belief in a god, so an atheist cannot hate god. Atheists can hate the idea of god, but what you are saying is a contradiction in terms.

Exactly, I am pointing out the fact that atheists engage in contradictory behavior. They claim that they know that God does not exist but then exercise hatred for Him. Are you saying it’s not possible for atheists to behave in a manner that is contradictory? Why not?

That’s not the actual philosophical definition of atheism by the way.

(August 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Seriously, Staler, I thought you were above the old canard that atheists 'hate God'. Not much above it, but still above it.

The evidence speaks for itself.

Quote: I disbelieve in Shiva, Ahura-Mazda, Vishnu, and every other god posited. Do I hate all those also?

Nope, and that’s exactly my point. Atheists know that the Biblical God exists. Hitchens did not write a book called, “Ahura-Mazda Is Not Great” for a reason.

Quote: By the way, you also disbelieve in all those other gods. Why do much hate toward them, Statler?

I do not call those gods names, or create threads dedicated to how horrible and mean they are, I’ve never read a book that disparages them, I’ve never partaken in a “blasphemy challenge” pertaining to them, I’ve never stolen their holy books from hotels, I’ve never desecrated their imagery, nor have I ever ridiculed them. You know why? Because I know they do not exist, so why waste my time? How many atheists can say the same about the Biblical God? Very few.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Sounds like, “God does not exist…and I hate Him” to me.

(August 27, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Sounds like, “God does not exist…and I hate Him” to me.

The Twilight characters do not exist and yet we can hate them as the characters they represent. It is common practice to love or hate fictional characters. Loving or hating them does not allude to their existence in reality, however, because the average reasonable individual knows how to differentiate between reality and fiction.

(August 27, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Sounds like, “God does not exist…and I hate Him” to me.

Or...
"I do not believe that God exists... and if He would exist, I'd hate Him".
So, yeah. This is a conditional example.

Quote:Exactly, I am pointing out the fact that atheists engage in contradictory behavior. They claim that they know that God does not exist but then exercise hatred for Him. Are you saying it’s not possible for atheists to behave in a manner that is contradictory? Why not?

1) Atheists as a whole do not claim to "know" god doesn't exist. A subset do, but the majority (at least on here) don't.

2) I, an atheist, do not harbour any hate for any god. Counterexample disproves your claim.

Sounds like you are mixing up "hating god" and hating the idea of a god (in the examples you wrote, the judeo-christian god) - in the Dawkins quote, he says "most unpleasant character in all of fiction".

Quote: Because I know they do not exist, so why waste my time?

Prove they don't exist.

(August 27, 2014 at 4:33 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(August 21, 2014 at 5:09 pm)Losty Wrote: Well then maybe you should amend your assertion to say most, many, or some atheists hate god.
Then after that maybe you could provide some proof or evidence to back up your assertion.

You did not provide any evidence to support your assertion that you do not hate God. Read any book by the “New Atheists” they all despise God, even so much as to call him childish names. It’s rather amusing actually.

Lol. Evidence to prove that I do not hate God?
I am myself. I know how I feel. What kind of evidence should I provide? 0.o